Milton_Havoc

^that is the thread i needed to see. Its a bit intimidating, but i can always ask for help. how similar are the hatch rear struts to the brat?

I wasnt aware of the weight to hp ratio of the car when i first started out. everyone keeps posting the same thing over and over though, so allow me to state it one more time: I am greatful that you guys cleard up the base "usefull" hp for me. I am deff gonna keep that in mind. If the stock ej22 is more than enough, than thats what i will use. I HAVE DECIDED TO USE THE EJ ENGINE! but for a better reference can you guys liken the hp/tq you guys have with your ej swaps to another car? AWD was expected as I began to read more of pooparoos thread, just gotta find what trans will work for my application. Will the stock axels hold up to this kind of swap? As far as suspension goes. Im still at the point where im wondering if the stock suspension components can be strenghted to work..? or custom spring rates. I see that even most of the grassroots rally cars here are not lowered and some of them autox their cars. I dont know if a drop is neccasary, just some stiffer suspension. oh, and this probably wont be a dd since im discovering that its better suited to playing in the dirt and mud. i had originally planed it to be a winter car that i could beat on and take on some fun roads out here in CO. Im compleetly ok with that though, i have other cars for pure pavement fun. Thanks guys and keep it comming

thankyou for that^ that was one of my major questions.

oh, i missed the rallyx part. Im looking to get into that here in CO. i want to go out to moab at least once as well. Rumor has it they are working on actualy stages here in CO, for grass-roots!!!! i get you about posting the ideas. I guess in my mind i saw the gl-hatch as being floaty. I found i was wrong in that assumption. i guess S.T. braces and hatch brace will help some.

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Thanks that helped alot. So now i can ask you directly. it was said in your thread that traction was a problem and that the brat became scary fast...sorry torqy...after the swap. how are you going about bringing the suspension up to par? or are you just gonna leave it? *i read where you said you had "something in mind"* < care to elaborate? also what kind of tires are you running? I have a friend(same guy that did my nissan stuff) that can probably do some custom stuff for me, if im in the same boat as with the nissan. As far as struts/shocks/camber, there was no existent product for us, so he started from scratch. Would that be the route to go or is it overkill? haha thanks now i gotta do a spread sheet or something to see which swap choice would be more suitable to me. but the franken motor does sound very apealing.

ok, now i see your thread. Turns out it was the first one i read. good info but long reads, i still have to go back and read it probably twice again so i can take in everything and understand it. I get the basics though. the nominclature threw me off because i didnt understand what two engines you were using parts from. how similar is the brat in the terms of that swap to the gl-hatch?

haha, I was referring to Pooparu's build thread. I said "the/that guy" because i was on my ipod and didnt want to multi task any more than what i was. i think you missed part of what i said(sorry for the long replys) yeah ive come to the conclusion that the ej is the way to go. so its what im planning for. pooparu was using a different trans(iirc) and then stated he was going to all wheel drive, as he had just been running in rwd for the duration of the build. I dont think hes been on in a while. I didnt see your build thread, but ill look for it....and respectfully read it Thuroghly. youll have to excuse me though, im still learning the nominclature of subaru. yes that comment was aimed at new erra stuff. But, the guy was talking about using new era stuff on "oldschool" cars more specifically the gl and the brat. Im not worried about "easier" per say. i mean i dont realy "want" to fabricate and weld a ton of miss-matched stuff together, but im no stranger to putting stuff together and doing some brainstorming. Ok, let me get some perspective: so im just assuming that 200hp is a good base hp for a hatch. It would keep it up with other cars and make it competative in motorsports. Is the weight relative enough in a gl-hatch(dont know what the slang for one is) that somehting in the mid 100hp range would be sufficient? For most of the cars that i own, 200hp is the base competative number. 250, takes you into the realm of walking away from srt4's and stock turbo cars. The z is the exeption because of the weight,300hp is baseline slow for cars in its class.

so i guess my first question is: on the buid thread that i read, the guy used VW suspension with e81.. perch. Is that the norm or is there an easier way? Im kind of assuming that there is no aftermarket suspension for a hatchback? Also he used spliced axels from a xt6 along with rotors and hubs, is that purely for the 5lug swap, or is that neccesarry? he never stated in his thread? In another forum someone mentioned : "that since subaru was going back to its original suspension design, retrofitting on older models would be eaiser" any truth to that?

well i read the thread that i bumped, about the ej22 hatch swap. I saw how involed it was with the suspension stuff that he did. When i first posted, i didnt see the rest of the threads in this forum. I didnt know it was only showing from "this month". so ive gathered some more info since then. It seems like the ej will fit my needs. I understand about the wrx swap, but on the other side of the same coin, i dont want a wrx or i would buy one....right now....(hint hint). the basis for that question was of a performance nature since as far as I know(and i dont know much about subaru) that is a high end car in the subbie lineup. The "motor thats in it question" thas another 2sided coin as well. The nissan i have comes with a ca20e, rated at something like 85hp. the rods are litteraly the size of a pencil so most people disregaurd it. There are some people though that have slapped a turbo on it and been running 200hp without a tune or a care in the world for about 4 years now, so blowing up in 10 min has to many varriable to make a stable claim like that. Thats why i aske. Also another good example is the KA that was int the 240sx's they used to run from those things like the plauge, now all of a sudden they are churning out 6oohp on stock internals. My plans for it: a fun little car, along with some rally-x ,auto-x, snow driving and some fun during the dry times as well(lol). Im a driver!! welding and fab skills are in the negative but im smart enough to learn and have an aquaintence thats been doing it since i was born. Money wise, i know from working on my two other cars that nothing realy stays within a "budget" you either spend more or come to a stopping point of realization.

wow Im thinking about doing this swap, but it seems pretty involved for the suspension and stuff. Kinda scarry to me. glad to see someone's doing it thouhg any updates on its current status?

i think a came across your build a few months back. None the less looking good. my direction with the hatchback would be just a little lower than stock with some decently stiff suspension. Something in the tradition of rally-x or autox. i know wheel selection is pretty mute for the hatchbacks. as far as engine, i know ill probably sound like the typical ricer here, but what about the sti engines or at least the wrx? disk brakes all around? i guess coilovers would be taking my wishes to far?

thanks for that, thats a good start. any thoughts on the franken motor like the guy put in the subaru brat? im going to look on google and see if i can find some builds of gl hatches. what do you mean "so far" with the suspension? better put, the suspension on the 200sx is all customly put together, but we share some components with other s-chassis cars. Is the gl like this too or am i stuck with just "it will work" suspension?

well im looking to add what might be my last additon to my garage. I am considering an subaru gl hatchback. Im new to subaru and its drive systems, never dealt with awd, and have no idea about the different engines and awd systems. BUT, im not new to tunning cars. I have a 300zx(z32) and an 84 200sx with a(200hp ka-t). I would love an education on subarus! my insperation comes from two places: my best friend had a gl-hatch, and that thing was a tank. the new sti hatches are beautiful style wise,and i plan on a complementing style update to the gl(nothing crazy like halo's or front fascia swaps) Now, before i jump into one i have a lot of questions and statements. my first statement is: if i do buy one, i plan on doing a frame off restoration/update. Mainly just to cure some of the rust that i hear is problematic in these cars. get rid of any wiring thats not needed, and bring it up to par for driving. I want to update the drivetrain/suspension/motor. wich brings me to the questions: i want to find a suitable motor for this car. i dont want a crazy 500hp(i have a z32 for that) a modest 200hp would be great. I read a lot of the people dropping in an ej(?) to other older cars. am i stuck in the same boat as the justy's with just a small engine compartment? As far as updating the suspension and drivetrain goes, how hard would it be to bring it up to date with current awd? what is the motor thats in it good for, hp wise? any chance of building it up to my hp expectations? thanks for the help and ideas in advance!