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Agreed, it does not, but problems with the engine or traction control, worrysome they be. Problems with ECS and TCS are a nightmare, how did they resolve it?

Agreed, it does not, but problems with the engine or traction control, worry some they be. Problems with ECS and TCS are a nightmare, how did they resolve it?

I like the X-drive function of the new Subies, Fozzie and a few others. I guess it comes down to your needs, Do you really need to drive up a mountain? Do you need that boost? Getting serious now, are you asking if they are a hot commodity, how far down you can negotiate? If it is answers on the newest Foz you seek, look no further than reddit.com/r/Subaru Make an account and make an inquiry, as I do see a lot of newer Soobs getting posted. Good luck!

Did you read my starter all the way through? I don't actually need somebody else to lay claim to this possibility: "Our 2010 Outback failed on a road trip in a cloud of smoke a few days and less than 1,000 miles after an oil change and 23-pt. inspection at the selling dealership. We're told the engine block would need replacement -- $5.200 -- and a $1,300 teardown to see what other engine parts would need replacement," said Kames of Milwaukee. "The Outback used immense quantities of oil; we began changing every 1,500-2000 miles and always carried oil because the light went on frequently. Dealers that checked said no biggie." If the the car car burns over a quart in one day, what's to say it wouldn't reach an irreversible level? I mean, yes, we can keep buying oil and putting it in, yes we can stop and check the oil every hour of a drive. It is a new car with less than 40k on it, that wouldn't be unreasonable right? Then there's the whole issue of Subaru laying claim to the problem but insisting it was known, and is known, and is completely our responsibility. That's unreasonable to expect, especially if someone hadn't known and drove that Subie into the dirt. F*$k that TK, my family is not shelling out $5-7k because of some shortcoming in the manufacturing process. Subaru should own up to that. My family looked long and hard at an Outback back in 97-98', thought it was solid ride for our family. Nope, it's image of reliability at the time made them choose the roomier Sienna. In fact, we stuck with Toyota's, and I Nissan, til a few years ago. What I'm trying to say is Subaru's have had that major "flaw" to their name, and finally in '11, after being convinced by family in Colorado (rep Subies!), they gave the newest Outback a shot. "Oh the head-gasket issue has been thoroughly taken care of... " NOPE ?? ...suck it!! Suck that oil up like it's leaking out the block. I wouldn't put the matter so lightly TK

Car wash? I was by hand, and hence directly see the outcome. Heavy rain as well. "Anyways, this piece gets deformed from people closing the door using the window or pressing against the window when getting out of the car in tight spaces." Son of a gun... I've read that before "My 2005 Outback had this problem and after a tech replaced this piece under warranty, he showed me how to pinch the piece back into shape. Result was no more wind noise. I posted the technique at the following link with pictures." Ok, now I know you've linked me that in the past haha, it was a good tip and it makes you think everytime you instincetively begin to reach for the glass when closing the door. Am I conflicted on if the windows are the source? Nah, you're ignoring what I wrote about my windows being out of allignment, lol all you have to do is look at the left side of the car.. then the right side. Then my buddy comes along in his OBS.. and damn we both unanimously agree that the PS needs adjusting. Pour a cup of water on that window, out it shall come through the poorly sealed crack. It's been awhile since I started this thread, I've had sometime to get to know my car Brus, give me some credit! Thanks for the advice thus far. I have a list of things to do to my OBS this weekend, and checking that PS lower windshield drain is right up there. -Sam

O.o that's pretty much what my car cost...

I don't doubt that, last I checked Consumer Reports, Hankook makes some damn good Winter Tires. Well, my Glacier Grips are studded and were a bargain so as long as they last two seasons I'll be satisfied. I'd post an update on how they will do in the snow, but again... studs.

I believe your first tip is likely right. My heater/air/vent control is messed up, the floor mode doesn't quite work nto to mention letting some air through the front vents, and some air always comes through the feet vents on other settings. Today I finally stuck my hand down there while driving, the DS foot well seems to only blow from the very right, as if it was misaligned or blocked. As for the second tip, other members have pointed out that the frameless windows can be thrown out of wack, and can be readjusted. I have to take a stab at that, they are visibly "off". Even had another OBS to side by side confirm. It leaks slightly from the top window edge due to this, but only under heavy rain. Still... the wind noise at high speed is enough reason to get on that. Thank you Keith, I'll be using your breakdown this weekend.

Had the WinterForce (Firestone subsidiary I think) on my '87 Standard, they were brand new too!! AWESOME, but after a month of hooning there was a noticeable drop in performance. Not bad, they still worked great, but now I understand why they weren't awarded the best ratings on TireRack. I have MasterCraft Glacier Grip II's now, by Cooper Tires, I'll let you know how they fare. They're priced around Winterforce, maybe a bit higher.

Ignorance is bliss my friend, I'm afraid In Europe, Subaru is regarded as one of the most reliable manufavturer's, so I'vr heard from family. Always enjoy hearing my EJ22 was a good buy ;-) Update on our Outback, Same spiel, they claim there is a certain amount of burned oil that is considered "normal" with this design. We'll keep making service records and abiding by their oil change schedule, in the event of something catastrophic.

Hmm, like the connecting rods of the Fieros, could be. Just an idea, it's been years since these have been made in Japan. Maybe there's an inconsistency in the quality of assembly? I don't want to bash Subaru NA, just a thought.

I was browsing another Subaru site, and someone posted this in regards to this topic. It states that apparently this problem is not limited to a few examples, I wanted to ask you all if you have experienced unusually high Oil consumption in your new Subaru's? Ours has only shown this problem twice, and defective piston rings (as it reads below) could explain that, as our car was under heavy load and driven for hours on end. In fact, those were road trips, and there is another, more disheartening account of a similar experience at the end of this post. Here's the scoop: Forester, Legacy, Outback, Impreza and Crosstek vehicles made since 2011 have defective piston rings which cause the cars to burn oil, possibly causing engine failure. "This design defect may be denied warranty coverage by the manufacturer and result in some owners having to pay for costly repairs to the engine," said the Haverford, Pa., law firm Chimicles & Tikellis, in a prepared statement. "Subaru may even relay to customers that the excessive oil consumption is considered normal." This might sound familiar to Robert of Laramie, Wyo., who told ConsumerAffairs he can't wait to become a former Subaru owner. "Soon I will be rid of this 2012 Subaru Forester and will never buy a Subaru again. The oil consumption has been a quart per 1,000 miles. The manual said that this is normal," Robert said in a recent review. "The dealerships have been unconcerned and unwilling to try to stop the consumption 'as it is normal.'" Nothing normalConsumers rate Subaru There's nothing normal about that kind of oil consumption, Robert said. "The car has 26,000 miles and 26 quarts of synthetic oil have been poured in it between the recommended oil changes. ... I have owned very many other models of cars and trucks (probably over 50) and never had one that consistently used over a quart between changes even though some had over 200,000 miles on them. This poorly designed and supported car is unacceptable. Subaru got me once never again!" Faye of Big Canoe, Ga., also finds herself buying a lot of oil. "I purchased my 2013 Subaru Outback February 2013. I have servicing done regularly. However, from the very start, my oil light comes on between 2500 to 3000 miles after an oil change. I was told by the dealership that this is normal for these cars because they do not have as much oil as other cars." Like others we've heard form, Faye finds that explanation unacceptable. "I had a Toyota Highlander for ten years, 210,000 miles on it and never had any problem like this. Unfortunately, it was totaled by a falling tree, and everyone encouraged me to get a Subaru. Nice car, but not truly reliable." Models named The models named in the suit are: 2011-2014 Subaru Forester 2.5L2013 Legacy 2.5L2013 Outback 2.5L2012-2013 Impreza 2.0L2013 XV Crosstek 2.0L ConsumerAffairs readers have had similar problems with models not covered by the lawsuit. "Our 2010 Outback failed on a road trip in a cloud of smoke a few days and less than 1,000 miles after an oil change and 23-pt. inspection at the selling dealership. We're told the engine block would need replacement -- $5.200 -- and a $1,300 teardown to see what other engine parts would need replacement," said Kames of Milwaukee. "The Outback used immense quantities of oil; we began changing every 1,500-2000 miles and always carried oil because the light went on frequently. Dealers that checked said no biggie." Mark another Subaru not covered by the lawsuit (if there is one), we have a 2011 Subaru Outback 3.6R. Luckily, it's only noticeably burned on the two trips, however driving from the Midwest to Florida apparently dropped it's oil extremely low. I wasn't there, but my family took it to a dealer. At least a quart burned on that trip, I'll find out more details soon. The first trip definitively burned about a quart, driving ~900 miles in several days.

Starting a new thread on this topic, found some new information in regards to the certain models burning oil.

Are you KIDDING me?! You need to look up tire explosions on youtube, laughs will not be had!! This incidents are not limited to just the dummies, had a regular hit the gas instead of the brake on a full size truck while in position to be lifted. That kind of work gets to you man! Even with a tire cage per lift, well.. ...you tire doing it day in day out with the risk of blowing your ear drums ...from across the shop.

Ohh for a second there, I thought you meant it would just vanish while his back was turned. You know, he ducks down to bolt on a caliper and stands up to wires hanging out the dash haha "*shrugs* uhh-eh no" Good look, fyi he thinks it "makes" his classic all stock and clean. Do away with that nonsense, point out other flaws lol

Sorry to be digging this up, but I've been away from USMB for a bit. Just wanted to add that Discount TIre/America Tire NO LONGER SIPES tires. They currently have the machines off line and quite possibly will get rid of them. I came in to get two of my winter's siped, as they were getting there and I needed them to last the season (oh a unique instance of it being worthwhile ) Some yahoo cut open his hand operating the machine, and someone from my local shop had broken their hand in the same manner years ago. They usually do make drastic changes when even one incident nationwide occurs, but I feel it just shows how the cost analysis turned out for what they made on siping. Just FYI. You may return to your normal programming

Hahaaa!! We've uncovered your deceit, you've had a fresh sapling near you all this time and you pester us distant members!! I love how Will couldn't, not wouldn't, explain to me why he wouldn't let his stock radio go.. I think he knew I was on to him

Thanks for explaining the wizardry of circuitry! All jokes aside, I had no idea, but do of what can go wrong. Sounds like I've got some work to do this weekend.

Groovy, can they provide you with examples of a before and after? If they had happened to have a clip, I'm sure it would be worthwhile. Also, anyone recognize this engine they have posted? EZ30 or EZ33? I can't think of any other economical flat 6 they'd use, save for an aero-sourced build.

I did heed your suggestion, already ruled out the A/C, it doesn't cause any wetness if run normally or extensively. It could just be the car gremlins pouring water down my dash right when it rains, just to frick with me!

Times like these, I'm thoroughly impressed by Subaru's bare bones digital clock in the speedometer cluster (for the 90's impreza's). Go get yourself a nice Kmart Special Seiko, or some other fancy looking analog watch. Take the straps off, and mount in the dash. Infiniti mod FTW haha Also, I second Bratman18's recommendation of user Gloyale http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/user/17152-gloyale/ He got me out of a tough bind, when no one else would step up. Could not have asked for better help, awesome guy!

I'll give that a shot, thanks.

What's the estimated cost?

+1 on finding used sets on CL, but people are overpricing there's horribly, especially now that winter is closing in. The tricks I find I swear, trying to give percentage amounts of thread and refusing to actually measure it for you. Somebody had a set of General Artic's for $230, and a similar set for $260 posted, with a listed thread depth of about 5/32 and 6/32", front and rear. That's ludicrous! Those are half way through their cycle, a new set cost's about as much, $300. Oh well, one thing I've taken is to Snatch winters up quick, months in advance. I had a set of Blizzaks with (~5/32")x2 and (7/32")x2 before these, picked them up 5-6 weeks ago for $140, and if I hadn't forgotten my thread gauge, I wouldn;t have given more than $110 Very friendly guy other than being so sheisty.. the front's were just bald enough to really slide around.