I am confused on how best to negotiate with a Subaru dealer for a new Forester. I have researched prices on some web sites (e.g.: CarsDirect, TrueCar), and have the MSRP and invoice as listed on those sites. One strategy for negotiation is to make the dealer an initial offer of, say, "$200 over invoice". But isn't the problem with this strategy the definition of "invoice"? I have one number for "invoice" from the web sites but the dealer probably(?) has a different number for "invoice". So when I make my offer, I do not really know the absolute dollar number of the offer since my invoice number may be different from the dealer's. Am I not understanding something with this strategy? Comments?