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Well I work in Portland at a Dr.s office. I use to like to work on my vehicle but recently new projects have been a challenge that I'm seem to fail at. Do my own wrenching so I can feed my family.
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I hear you Pierbon and your post made me smile. Guess I've just grown inpatient since I've had this thing in pieces for just about 90 days Actually got the car together over the past weekend. Good news is it started up and runs, bad news made a weird noise when starting and immediatly threw code P0748. Trans light flashing non-stop. Shifts hard on engagement and goes straight to 4th (fail-safe mode). No other drive gears work. Bit of research I did on new issue shows solenoid probably damaged from removal error of jacking on trans pan. Might just have to throw the towel in and take it to a shop at this point. Fear I may have broke something else in there.
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Just wanted to thank all you guys who helped and contributed to this thread.Happy to say I dropped the engine back in today and while I didn't finish the install the TC was perfect. I can say without a doubt that I had the thing seated twice when I thought that it wasn't. As a few said the easiest way to know it's seated is when you drop the motor back in, you should have about an 1/8" gap between the flywheel. This is exactly how things looked. Looking back it actually wasn't too difficult to seat but the anxiety of having never done it and not knowing if it was correct was my problem! I regret to report that due to not being able to obtain the input shaft o-ring I wasn't able to change it. Hopefully this won't lead to the shift engagement delay mentioned. I really wanted to change it but I can have this thing down anymore the OD just went out on our Pathfinder, looks like my next work is already cut out for. It amazes me to read how quick some members can tear these cars down and throw back together as it has taken me quite a bit of time. I have however forgot how some things go back together since it's been awhile since taking it apart. The Haynes manual I have doesn't cover it all that great in detail. I've been reading the FSM too but the manual even though it says it for an 03 there's a good bit different, maybe because it's for the foreign models . Hopefully tomorrow I'll be able to finish getting things together and she'll run without having anymore issues.
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Went to two Subaru dealers and no luck in obtaining the Input Shaft o-ring. Second dealer told me the part has been superseded but neither part was stocked locally. Would like to replace but since it's unavailable not sure what I'm going to do, really need to get this car back together. It's been in pieces since Thanksgiving Picked up my engine tonight from the Machine shop. They were able to install the rear crank sleeve and RMS. Machinist told me it wasn't easy but he got it. Glad I spared myself the pain and paid the $25 at this point. Let's pray that thing doesn't leak. Decisions, decisions,,,, order a $2.00 o-ring and have to wait another week or try and get this thing dropped in and back together??
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I spoke with customer service at Silverseal.com and confirmed they make a sleeve that fits the rear crankshaft of EJ motors. For those interested their sleeve is 3.381 and my crank was 3.383 and FSM specs it as 3.384. They told me a little light heat with a light bulb or blow dryer and you can gently slide it on and shouldn't need their tool either as they have discontinued the install tool. Great deal overall as their sleeves run $7.70 + about $9 for shipping making the total less than $20. The SKF sleeve I mentioned above actually cost me $60! I received the sleeve on Saturday and took it to the machinist who currently has my motor. He checked it and said it should be a nice fit. Hope this helps others who make this unfortunate mistake. I've learned and hopefully won't need another one of these again but it's a relief their is actually a company that makes a sleeve the fits the rear crankshaft of our EJ motors.
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OK, so sounds like I'll be taking the TC off again to replace that o-ring. As for if I have the hang of seating the TC yet, not sure! I haven't re-installed the motor yet to determine if it's indeed seated all the way. To me it looks seated but honestly both times it wasn't too hard to get to what I believe is seated. This makes me question if it actually is since so many say it's a difficult task. Have you seated one on for the Phase 2 ever? I've never seen one seated so just hoping I getting it seated at this point. Too bad your just a little too far south I would love an experienced set of eyes to take a look and tell me what they think.
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Thanks for the info and insight. Dang it, I looked at o-ring and thought about replacing but got side tracked and didn't. TC is back on already so now I need to decide if I want to go back down that road. Oh, yeah wanted to ask again about the trans pan magnet. Is it normal for that thing to be covered in a greasy type sludge?
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Oh, forgot one other item had a question about the pan magnet was covered in the ferrous type of oil like sludge, is this normal? The fluid color was nice and red but I flushed it shortly after purchasing and also removed a Napa oil filter from the Trans and installed the correct Subaru specific ATF filter
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I don't believe this is the shift rod. Its actually directly above the shift rod i beleive but higher up in the case. The shaft I'm talking about runs front to back, shift rod runs side to side and valve body, correct? It may be the shaft for the pinion gear as the other member above mentioned. Like i mentioned dont know anything really about transmissions but being cautious to avoid anymore mistkes. I may just be paranoid because this project has became such a mess. I'm still waiting for the crank sleeve I ordered from MI to get the engine squared away. Guess I'm probably safe to seal the tranny pan and move on for now. Going to use Permatex The Right Stuff gray. Since I don't have access to any of these ThreeBond products and The Right Stuff seems like it may be an step-up/improvement for Ultra Grey.
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OK, so dropped the pan today to straighten it out based on other members mentioning it may cause my next problem. Wow, that red Three Bond is insane to break the seal. Finally got the darn thing off and banged out the bottom. Wish I hand't messed that pan up because that seal was real good, dang it! Now that I am able to see up inside the transmission I may still have an issue. Looking inside the transmission, next to the valve body above the shift select lever there is a shaft that has a spot of shinny wear. I wonder if this is the input shaft? If so it may be out of place. Meaning, from the looks the shaft might have rode somewhere further back in the case giving it this smooth appearance. It appears to be a machine surface and seems odd to be in a location with no contact and to look like that. Not sure though as I know nothing about transmissions, so maybe this isn't even the input shaft and just another part of the transmission. I'm trying to attach a picture here but having problems. Maybe I'm an idiot but can't seem to figure out how to upload pictures to this site or the member content area. I just keep getting deeper and deeper. After all of this I would hate to get this car back together to only learn it may have been something I could have found/fixed during all of this but didn't and it causes further damage. Did I mention at the start of this I only bought this car less than 3000 miles ago!
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I realize this is an old thread but posting this info for the benefit of others who like me may run across this thread due to the need to sleeve the rear crankshaft of their EJ25. The Napa link above is not the correct sleeve for EJ25. Trust me, I bought one and crushed it like a beer can trying to install it before buying a micrometer. The above one fits a crank that is 3.338 to 3.346 which is too small. In fact SKF does not make an appropriate sleeve to fit an EJ25 Subaru crank. My crank mic'd at 3.383 and according to FSM new spec is 3.384. SKF listings jump right over the size needed for our cranks. As a few bearing shops told me, "you have an odd duck" (in terms of sizing) and suggested Subaru made a rear crank size that is "uncommon". I did find the other company another poster above mentioned that is listed in MI @ Silver-Seal.com. According to their website they have a sleeve that fits EJ22 and EJ25 and is listed as 3.384. I've order this one and will report back when its received if it fits correctly. In the meantime, if you do decide to go down the road of replacing the RMS, tread lightly, as even though our cranks are steel they are softer than you might think!
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Good tip on the RMS and tapping further didn't think about that! Also promising to hear how many RMS you have done with good results. For the converter seal, I indeed looked at it and the spring was still intacted so based on my luck with the job I decided to leave it alone Where is the bushing located you mention to take a look at? I looked inside where the transmission input shaft sits in the trans and appeared fine. I also looked inside the TC and all teeth appeared normal. I currently have it at the point of what I believe is seated so for now I don't plan on pulling it back off unless when I try to drop the motor back in there isn't the 1/8" gap between the flex plate and TC. TC currently takes a slight effort to spin (Car in neutral) but seems to rotate smoothly. I appreciate the wishes for a New Year, I need it, it's been a rough year for sure. Still open to making a new friend if anyone local has done this and could lend a hand/insight. Did I mention I have a heated garage If you have a GF8 too I have a lovely JDM roof rack I would make a nice deal on for lending a hand, win-win.
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Dave thanks for the idea. Well yesterday my luck continues, trying to sleeve the crank and the sleeve wouldn't go on and got destroyed. I've never used one before but according to the directions and what others have said should have been easy. Nothing with job for me has been easy, go figure. Finding out if a local machinist can sleeve and just install the damn seal. Gaining a whole lot of experience on this one the hard way. Bet I never mess with a RMS on a Subaru again. Guess that will give me time to do the mock up you suggested above.