well after chaning coil pack the starting got much better but there is still some underling issue it seams like its not getting fuel 1 out of every 5 cranks or so deffinatly not the battery or connection as they are both brand new i still want to check the injectors this weekend when i have the time and if not i'll check timming agian thanx for the help guys i'll post back in a few days with my results but if anyone has other ideas please feel free to post them