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at first i though so too. but then i dont wanna tubes where under my car as they would stick out a lot. do they ? i was thinking to cut like a gap into that tube so it would sit right. or put rubber on it for better grip. like make it so i could put it more in front or rear car or just in middle. like anywhere on side and then make something better in front.

bought hi lift jack . it was 48'' model. little too long to fit in trunk as i need it to fit so i just cut some from it . and made some add on metal tube so it could reach under car easily. so from 100mm original i made 200mm with tube. now i can reach all spots for lifting car easily. could bought shorter version of it but it would be more shorter then this and i wanted it to just fit in trunk and not move to sides end result its now reaching under car easily and lifting sides of car without any problem i would mod that flat surface of tube still to something more grippy. but it works as it is too. car was lifted and didin't even moved or slided anywhere and lifting from front car i can do as well same as those jeeps with heavy massive bull bars. again will add something there to make it stronger place and that it would lock that tube better and have more grip there. still as i lifted car used just Parking and handbrake car didint moved or slided nowhere.

i was thinking maybe noone using hi lifts on subarus but they do. thats good old forester in good old lithuania forest

outbacks from 2001 have VDC models with traction control that do just that. foresters just from 09 get that. and traction control do wonders. land cruiser prado newer models no need lockers almost at all how good they are just with traction control. jeeps traction control pretty good from about '01. land rovers had traction control from old models and its was good enough as well. those 4wd that have only part time 4wd they are not 4wd at city roads at all. they just 2wd or more like 1wd. later 4WD cars got full time 4WD too, that subarus have long time ago, because safety first. full time 4WD just gives you safety on road no matter what. and those old school 4WD with lockers they just good for one thing - going offroad. nothing else.

i think my engine runs better after i added this couple more people tested it here and told me they had good results too and better acceleration more alive engine and stuff. so i tried too. best way to use it with new oil while changing it , but i just added to my not so old oil , mixed it with some 1l original oil so it will mix better there inside . and after driving couple weeks i like my car more. its kinda more responsive or something.

yes pls we need proof of that. pics or it didin't happen

yes i was thinking of that. just i wont "buy" hi lift kit . i could just add those stuff myself by separately and make something. in my situation now wouldnt be possible lift car from side at all just front and rear. but yes stuff to lift by wheel needed too. that wheel lift stuff could be made too not that difficult, just hooks as those wont go for my aluminum rim. something else could fit my rims maybe. some board could work too. or steel . steel more heavier i guess. and i think for outback is enough lowest hi lift model 48'' . i dont need 60'' do i ? tho difference in price here is just 7 euros. but do i need 60'' ? hmm even stuff like those then does chain is needed for some stuff or you could do all with straps only ? like for pullling i guess you need chains but they would add weight same as hi lift maybe. what about just strong strap or 2,3 of them. still would be lighter then chain.

very nice winter day -8 c and sun is shining. no snow just dry and ground is frozen.

Well AWD/4WD with traction control as VDC/ xmode is not just 2 wheel drive.its dynamic. Its not that simple. And if its 2wd its those 2 wheels that have traction, not those that in air as older active AWD.

i would love to have snow storm. not when stuck but in general. i love snow and love drive on it and explore places when lots snow. get out from snow is not that hard or dirty at least.

yeah as exhaust is lowest point and then if you sit hard on it it will force itself onto driveshaft and even into your rear diff side cv rubber and will brake it. as mine did. now need to change that cv rubber boot. all because i was pullling car with lifting it because someone told : ohh look its nothing we will pull this car out in second...later we snapped strap 3 times by trying it haha. so yh never do that again. lesson learned. and would be good to make that exhaust somehow not lowest point or make some secure stuff for it . just my bottle jack and come along would do job fine ..takes more time maybe but i could do it alone even with small shovel in car axe and some straps and cables. but hi lift would make lifting car so much faster and easier. and you can even pull car with hilift. again very slow process but its possible. and i drove that place many times before and did many times before got stuck..and thought its too easy and then felt for trap and stuck. its just so easy when your wheels have traction even in mud. when they loose it you just stuck in second.

pull it out today with 2 my uncles and on extra car for some pull power. lots of digging mud and lots of lifting car and redoing it many many times until car got high enough to get some real traction. andexaust was ripped of because i tried pull car without lifting it so it was sitting on exhaust and just pulled it off. tube broke in 2 places but was easily to weld later back home. doesnt look like much there but it took good 2-3 hrs 2 men to dig and lift car and redoing it again and again because jack was sinking to mud , boards where sinking or going to side and such...lots stuff to do redoing it over and over. because small bottle jack and you need lots wood boards to lift car . 1 hi lift would do it in just one go i guess. and if you alone that would be so much helping . even with come along if your car sits on middle on hard surface and one side wheels in deep stick mud and other side almost in air doesnt have enough traction you wont go anywhere and pulling car off that without lifting it properly would just brake some stuff thats what i did. exhaust lowest point.. its gone.

mine is like that its mitsubishi and lifts more then my car weights . but not so high. so i tried with this one allready. well i put this one in front too. just were bumper is and where that metal peace goes along radiator. so its like from front. i could put hi lift there too and it would reach that spot. well longer bottle jack would help i guess. about pullling car out. yes its maybe simpliest way . but normal 4wd wouldnt come there too just lifted one. tractor. well i duno tractors around. and if tractor would need to drive like 15 km or more it just wont go that far. what i see its my car sits completely on middle its sits on mud. so if i drag car by force now i might brake something as well. thats if i pull car in front . might ripp off exhaust because car sits on exhaust completely. all exhaust from engine its on that mud pressed to cars body. if i just drag car it could rip off. where i live i dont know anyone with big 4wd mean lifted one. normal city 4wds wouldnt even go there. lifted 4wd maybe i saw in my city 1 or 2 . but i duno who those people are. car sits on middle on mud . hard mud not soft. its frozen. tried ti pull with come along and strap snapped meaning it dont wanna move . when i got stuck mud was all soft and wet. now most of it frozen. maybe that adds to problem too. but only one side of car is in mud drivers side. its now so burried that i almost cant open driver door. its just goes into mud straight away. and i cant dig there because ground goes up hill. and water runs from that hill down to that driver side. thats where mud is soft and full of water. all other mud is frozen. and will be more tomorrow. my idea was wait until mud frozen all and lift car on mud. but its not frozen all because running water non stop and that water not frozen yet. maybe it wont be ever. i mean i would put hi lift right there yesi dont have bumper for that but i dont need because in that place i could lift cars front at least some with it . i tried with my normal bottle jack and it worked . i mean i could lift car as much as that jack could but it was not enough. so my idea if i take hi lift and put it there. i dig some mud in that area around and put there trees and boards maybe so it wont sink and i would lift it. well i think so at least. or that hi lift dont have long enough hook to lift my front then its bad ... well for now i dont have any other jack lifter to lift car more up. and if that come along couldnt even move car an inch means something not letting it move. ok what i mean of using hi lift is like this i tried lift front of car like this with my bottle jack and it did in that same spot. it was strong enough spot to hold and to lift wheel from ground on that side. so hi lift should do that to im thinking

some more thoughts of stuck car. because car sits in middle on frozen mud its not going more to side. but if i would start to dig that middle part then car would go more to side sink more even . still thats not saving me nothing. so until its sits on middle part its kinda wont sink more maybe. maybe if i put wood on mud in one place it will sink then put more and more on top in one place until its stops sinking then i could put lifter there and lift that side. i hope at least. but if i not have high enough lifter i wont lift car enough to put something under wheels. because wheels still will be in mud just little lifted. with high lifter i could i think at least that i could lift car in one go and thats it . i could put trees under wheels and car then goes up and middle part wont sit on mud means its free to go. thats theory at least. so if i bring again wrong tools to car i wont achieve much even if i dig much and stuff. its possible to lift car some ant then put there something so car wont go down. but i need hard ground for that and if i have mud around i dont have any hard ground. just that spot that i would make for lifter to stand. so thats problem i think.

No chain.well come along itself goes with pulley . and it didint brake just strap did. But car didint even moved because its sits on belly. And part that its sits on is not soft mud just frozen one its hard as ice. So i cant just drag car by force if its sits on belly. I could use hi lift from front. Just where are original recovery points there is pretty strong place. I was lifting there with small hidraulic lifter. Just it wasnt enough. See where problem is. If ilift. Ar just little with lifter that i have i cant put things nowhere. I cant do nothing from sides because sides sits till door almost and ground from door goes up hill so cant sdig there too. And from that hill water running down so its make there so messy place that i cant even stand there with my weight. But i can dif maybe that part in front and try lift car from front maybe put strong boards on mud and then put lifter on boards. I just need really strong boards.that they wont brake. Well or first put some trees then board on top. My all problem is car sits on belly because driver side sinking down. Car facing forward down hill but if i go forward i just go more into nasty soft ground. To go back i need oull car backwards but i cant pull now because all car sits on belly even engine part sits all almost till radiator. And all weight is on front. So if i lift some driver side thats it i could almost go out myself . problem is to dig there because ground goes up if i dig there ground just falls down again and with water. I thought it will freeze but its not freezing. Everything else there is frozen but that part under driver side car. So hmm duno. I have normal subaru lifter same as you had i think. And then i have another small in size hidraulic that i carry in car . its enough to lift wheel from ground with some boards . but not enough now to lift car from mud.

It is bad burried. Its not pic from it stu ck but its in that place. Today took that simple come along 4t and more straps. Tried to pull car backwards but because its freezing now half mud frozen but that side its still wet because water runs there. So its sits on belly all lenght and that part is frozen as stone. But side that wheels are stu k is in halfsoft mud. So we tried to pull it out. And strap that was around tree broke.and it was 4t strenght. Come along not broke yet but car didint moved inch. Left again car there. Tomorrow will conti ue rescue it. What i think i need is to lift driver side which is all buried into mud its sits on skid plate . I need lift car so middle would free the. I could maybe pull it. But dont have any high lifter that could lift car so much so its come out of mud and even lift to air so i could put some wood under wheels. Proble. Is getting to driver side. Its sinked almost to door level. And worse part that it goes up hill from that place so it would need dig so much if try lift from side. Better would be dig from front and try to lift all front. Again strong and high lifter needed like hi-lift. I could put some small lifter and lift rear maybe but first and must is front becausr car sits downhill and its looks front downhill so all weight goes on front.but to lift front i need dig some there and i need to put lifter on some hard ground and on that side mud is soft and even water

yes my car still stuck in forest in mud. i left it there and went home because needed go to work.its about 10 km from where i live. so its there now and at night that mud might froze duno how it will be tomorrow. but i need to make rescue mission tomorrow with some cheap and simple things i could buy locally. yes im looking now at those hand winches , yes here they called just hand winches. so you think that 4t would be enough just one problem with them. it says cable its just 1.6m or 3m length . so cable is short . then i need some extra straps or maybe even chain. but i would prefer straps better. and they somehow cheap . well from 15 to like 45 euros. guess cheaper is worse. im just thinking will it be strong enough to pull out car. it says 4tons sure. just people talk trash about them . at least i found bad comments. car stuck there. and waiting now. i went there like 10 times back and forward and i thought its too easy ..and then i went more to left where noone did go. and i sunk.

Well sure with bouncing that spare tire carier could fell off . So today i got stuck in forest about 10 km from home. Was trying get myself out myself couldnt, then asked uncle to helo but he just had ford transit van. He came but couldnt do nothing almost get stuck himself.It was muddy road half frozen because cold but one side was soft mud and i got there with front wheel.and all car liy down on belly now on half froszen half soft mud. I left car was getting dark and i needed go to work night shift later .so i left car i middle of nowhere. Driver side car is in mud almost until door. Other side on ok track. Didint had any ppl i know with heavy truck or tracktors or 4wd. So that bad. Tomor will try to get car somehow out. But so much problems when no car. My solutions: 1. Look someone with bug lift 4wd and ask him to get me out. 2. Look who have tracktor and ask him. 3. Buy some hand recovery gear and go try to get out car myself with hi-lift maybe. Problems: Dont know noone with heavy jeeps around. Dot know anyone with tractor around. Normal cars wont pull me out of there . If tomor will freeze and that mud become solid what will i do . Hope nooe will touch ny car there. ( Car sit on exaust tube which brake or separated somewhere because now its sound loud. Hopefully no more damages. Driving alone..dont go to places you think are bad. I got there passed 3 times ok . then i wanted try go more on side. Was mistake. now what i learned from that. i tried to dig up mud and tried lift car at least one side and put some small trees under wheels. and that worked up for one side but other side was all in mud. and i had just folded but good shovel. and axe. and just small hidraulic lifter. which is enough to lift car from ground on solid surface but its doesnt work at all offroad. if i would had then hi-lift i would lift front of car enough to raise it from mud some and put some cut trees there. maybe would even got out . so my lifter was main problem. shovel was ok and axe too. and i found that now that i cut my front bumper and my recovery points are open its good point to lift car too. even with my small lifter i lifted it couple time by those points and all was fine. it was strong enough place to lift it. and i could even weld there something to make it more solid and good spot for good hi-lifter . so that stuff was missing. then again i could pull out car with hi-lift too. just need a lot ropes and chains and trees around. which i had .

Ohh but i have lpg tank in spare tire space.i removed spare tire from trunk as ehen i needed space in trunk so i cant carry it and its really fine. Yes i have all tools in car all time and air compressor too and quick fix kits. Was thinking of rear spare carier as saw on some subarus. So what you saying is this setup with roof rack and spare tire its bad and dangerous and can damage car.? I dont think this person damaged his car ever from that. Maybe this simpler style Or this

about stealing stuff. well cheap lights nobody would take i guess or want to take. well yeah i know i don't like really need roof rack not in winter at least or spring until summer. its just some extra space to put some stuff that you no need or like spare tire. because now i drive without spare at all. i went all trip 5400km without spare tire ha. i mean icant sleep in car if spare tire inside trunk too. its just would be cool to try and weld roof rack and maybe sometimes use it when need . i would make flat one maybe for less drag and then make side frame as separate stuff. would be interesting to try at least to make it. so you say aluminum wouldn't be any lighter. ok then. maybe something like this just simple

Question for roof rack. If steel one is so heavy meaning not much is left in it to carry , as subaru says only 80kg on roof bars. So maybe aluminum one then i mean would do still diy just buy aluminum tubes and find someone to weld it or make it on bolts. Would be much lighter but is it worth it? Someone did maybe here?

Well welding nuts to bolts would prevent stuff from stealing. And then when i need o take it off just cut that bolt. You could even put like 2 nuts and weld last nut then cut just that one and you still have functioning bolt with one nut. I could mount leds of roof rack so they like inside it and covered by frame not like put it in front it or on top. When you weld stuff yourself you can make there anything how you want it. Or steal some ideas from others Another good idea leds on magnetic pads. And long cable from cigarete lighter. So they like inside your car and you just put them on roof,door or anywhere when you need them and just plug them.

and how its crawls now on low gear vs before ? as much as i found 1st gen outback 4eat on 1st gear only locks center. so at least thats one way to go better offroad. on other gears its just normal active AWD. manuals should have that 50/50 kinda and with low gear should be even better. still its not that much low isnt it ? could it be modified to be more lower ratio ?

yeah low beams i put already superior ones H7 that i could find there and still its not that good. i saw led bulbs for low beams but not sure how that would be legal to drive with. yeah HID conversion maybe not bad idea. some leds like those maybe https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bJ4AAOSwGwlaKfbn/s-l1600.jpg still its impresive how much distance those cheap $13 leds reach and they are floods. look at that elecrtic pole and how much led lights it compare to low beam and its nice warm color thats original fog light that was in front bumper compare to that new LED. i just held them in hand and pointing at same spot that fog light is not so bad , but in car it was so rubbish that i never saw any use of it. i guess it was bad angle and height maybe. for future planing to make roof rack so maybe then i put even more lights on that roof rack for front and rear too. when i drove in dark to that forest area and saw how much i see everything with those LED's i was really impressed. its so bad to drive in such dark with just low beams and those leds just make you wanna go in dark more.