superu

Soo that's where the coup went... Welcome! I've been wondering (just not digging too much )

I've seen some of your posts and pix but I've been wondering why you don't want to do a lift... You've squished some meaty mud terrains in there haven't you? Anyhoo, strut top spacers are like $215 shipped, and of course OB struts would be better but also more $$, then there's 2nd gen forester strut assemblies. just curious...

Yes Bennie, I highly recommend it, especially with your 1.59 low swap but given the choices for your box, check your 5th gear ratio... Apparently OB 5ths here (at least 1st gen OBs (96-99 here)) had .871 whereas foresters, some impreza RSs and my 895 legacy (not too sure about other earlier ones) had a .780 5th. So just a thought about overdrive gears... That .780 might be a better highway gear but it might not have much oomph for slight (5-6%) grades... Just a thought. Now I'm able to climb stuff I couldn't pull with 3.90's and that's with NO low gear!! this is about as far as i could pull this hill with 3.90s and 27" tires but just the .21 difference of 4.11s I pulled the entire hill and with some power left!! I'm working on cutting a couple video to upload... But, I'm still looking for a D/R EJ 5MT to import, but now I can put that on the back burner and really wait until the one I want comes around (97-98 fozzie). Well, 250, but who's counting? It's not too bad overall, and 3500 RPM doesn't feel as bad as i thought it would, so no probs doing 75 on the interstate, if I need to. AND I have a WAY more powerful 5th!! Where I used to have to downshift [on the highway] for hills and grades to make it up are no problem in 5th, at speed, even with a/c on!! I'm psyched! OOH, and now my speedo is pretty accurate too! Now instead of 5% under, it's about 1% over, so it reads a % or so faster than I'm actually going...

Yeah, i remember chatting with you about this lifting stuff a few years ago... What are you in now?

so by "that's it", you mean to swap FD ratios you "just" open the box (transmission main case) and get the ring gear and it's pinion gear out of the front diff? Likewise one "could" change any diff's final drive by swapping the ring and pinon gears, but in practicality why do that when you could swap diffs (axle issues aside)?

success.... I buttoned it up a couple days ago, then after some hill holder and clutch cable adjusting. I took it for a spin! I reinstalled skidplate today and will take it on a trail run tomorrow (long canyon in Moab). So, here's my report: clutch kit spec'd for an EJ22 (carquest 15-004) and the oversize bearing that came with the OB tranny was my final setup... I took it for a drive today and here's the quick and dirty... 4.11s are awesome!! Mine are paired with 27" tires = fantastic!!! I don't really notice a difference in the seat, but I sure do notice the difference in the shifting, more accurately the LACK of downshifting on grades I couldn't pull previously without downshifting in the stock 3.90 FD with 27" ATs. EJ22 with 3.90 FD, 70 MPH @ 3000 RPM (Actual speed 75MPH but VERY weak 5th gear with respect to hills!) EJ22 with 4.11 FD (99 OB 5MT), 65 MPH @ 3000 RPM EJ22 with 4.11 FD (99 OB 5MT), 70 MPH @ 3250 RPM EJ22 with 4.11 FD (99 OB 5MT), 75 MPH @ 3500 RPM EJ22 with 4.11 FD (99 OB 5MT), 80 MPH @ about 3750 RPM 5th has more pull (a confound or combination of 4.11 FD with the shorter OB overdrive ratio (.871 vs. .780) than the stock setup with oversize tires. I think all in all it's deffintely more like what stock would be, save the higher top end on the interstate... But I have no need to go 80 MPH (I'm not in my late teens through mid 20s anymore. So, that's my story and m I'm sticking to it!

Sooo, I read more about the OB trannies and people aren't too excited about the high revs on the highway, since I got a 99 OB (would have preferred a forester but wasn't sure why) to swap for my stock 95 legacy's 5MT with a failed reverse gear. The story is that my 95 legacy's 5th is .780 ratio and outbacks (from the top of my head, at least the first gen OB and maybe 2nd. . . I just need to reference the subaru tranny chart to verify that) 5th gear is .871. Foresters have the same 5th as my 95 legacy (.780) and later Impreza RSs are also 4.11 FD withth etaller overdrive 5th gear (.780), starting around 03? Previous RSs, like OBS are 3.90 FD. While small, combined with the 4.11 FD it amounts (crunching the numbers) to about 250 RPM at the same speed. SSOOOO . . . . . . . AT LAST, I answered my question! My research, the info and number crunching from others and my suspicions are confirmed! 4.11s are great with 27" tires!!! I don't really notice a difference in the seat, but I sure do in the shifting, more accurately the LACK of downshifting on grades I couldn't pull previously without downshifting in the stock 3.90 FD. Here are some quick pix while driving at various speeds. EJ22 with 3.90 FD, 70 MPH @ 3000 RPM (Actual speed 75MPH but VERY weak 5th gear with respect to hills!) EJ22 with 4.11 FD (99 OB 5MT), 65 MPH @ 3000 RPM EJ22 with 4.11 FD (99 OB 5MT), 70 MPH @ 3250 RPM EJ22 with 4.11 FD (99 OB 5MT), 75 MPH @ 3500 RPM YAY for confirmation!! I thought about swapping my legacy's 5th gear. BUT through more investigating (mostly online and picking the minds that know about 5MT internals), I found out 99 trannies had some big internal redesigns and the 5th gear and its bearings might not swap from 95 to 99. Although apparently the 5th gear is NOT in the main tranny case, it's in the rear case (housing the center diff), so that would've made it a bit easier... BUT, i'd need a press, maybe machining ability if things did't fit, etc. wetc. and so on... SOOOO, I'll happily roll with this OB tranny while I continue my hunt for a dual range EJ (ideally a 4.11, so I won't have to get into the main gears and front diff to swap that out, just the low gear set, depending on the D/R 5MT I end up getting) Soo, thank to all who've helped me on this hunt.

Hmmm, curious. . . . what trans and diff does thatswhatshesaid have going on?

Awesomeness!! That's what I was hoping to hear. Today's goals: mount clutch install tranny and rear end. I'll continue to gather axle bits then do the LSD later, but priority one get the car on the ground and driving again.

AMS (the makers of most OE clutch kits, and supplier for carquest) said the toyota bearings are less than ideal as they don't fit the clutch fork retaining spring. BUT the newer kits have a Subaru-appropriate bearing that fits the spring correctly. this is what I'm told. That's cool, where did you get that sticker? was it part of your retrofit kit? When i saw that on this outback, I didn't know what it meant and considered taking the sticker but forgot to grab it when I got into taking out the rear end. Sumo parts huh? I'm not familiar with that one. But What you say makes sense about reusing the old bearing. This one fits the retaining spring, spins WAY better than my 2-year old exedy bearing (which was missing one retaining spring for the fork and doesn't fit the retrofit quill sleeve anyway) The clutch went with the engine the day before I saw and responded to the "part-out" ad, so I had not chance on getting the clutch too BUT I've got a new clutch anyway, and today's goal is get the tranny back in the car... I'll deal with my rear diff upgrades later when I get the right axles to make that happen. AMS also said there is NO [physical or capability] difference between the 15-010 clutch kit (spec'd for 99 OB with EJ22, also spec'd for my 95 legacy with EJ22) and the 15-040 clutch kit (spec'd for 99 OB with EJ25... Well really that's the kit for ALL NA EJ25 5MT Subarus). He said the difference was a minor and meaningless OE specification difference of approximately 1/4" inner diameter difference in the clutch cover's spline opening. NO HP or torque capability difference, identical clutch, throwout and crank bearing part numbers. SOOO, for a $40 difference in price, I got the kit spec'd for the EJ22 (which is what theis OB tranny will be behind anyway Updates tonight, hopefully :thumbs up:

I'll hold you to your word! I don't want no axles separating when I'm flying around a FS road or stompin' it in a rally cross! I'm going to try to get it all back together and on the ground tomorrow then gather axle parts and do the LSD swap at a later date... But seriously, thanks for the beta on the gen 1 leggo axles! I'm psyched I'll probably get to keep and use this CLSD!:banana:

Hells yeah! The bearing that came withthe tranny seems fine, so I was planning on reusing it, but a new one would be better. I saw that sticker on the car and didn't know enough then to know what it was describing....but NOW I do! My parts store can't get the oversized throughout bearing alone. Standard bearing alone yes, oversized only omes with the WHOLE clutch kit, and at a primium cost.. Is it a Subaru part number? thanks man, -mark-

confirmed. Thanks. BUT, I'm getting info I could use gen 1 legacy rear axles (apparently female inner cup) to marry my hub to this LSD from an RX. Thanks and sorry for the diversion from this thread and thanks for the platform for my question. Is there any update or reporting from this auto tranny swap/ OB strut lifted wagon?

I like the idea of gen 1 legacy axles better than hybridizing a bastard set. Only concern is axle elngths. Would it really be a bolt-on and I'd be good to go> It seems like that would be the case, especially since my hubs are actually 90 legacy wagon rear disk hubs. So it would just be swapping the inner CV mounting to older gen (RX/EA82/gen 1 legacy). I guess that makes sense to me. Thanks chux!!

I do NOT have the diff case this came from, so I do NOT have the case side covers and their bolts, just the 00 OB rear diff and it's junk... So, seriously?? I just get and use gen 1 legacy rear axles and it's all bolt and go? That would make this guy a very happy camper... Let me reiterate: Pirate gen 1 legacy rear axles to join my 90 legacy rear hubs (used for a rear disk swap), on my 95 legacy, to a 99 OB rear diff with an 87? RX LSD unit? is that right?

DOOOH! That's a front LSD unit? DAMMIT!!! so no probvs with CVs and pins then, cuz they got 'em up front! Well then, even COOLER rig you got there mang!! LSD front, EJ turning dual range impreza, welded rear.. awesome! note: this guy covets

doing my [first] tranny swap now/... I will use the reversed jack for lifting the tranny. Good tip! Question! Did you mess with the rear end at all? I'm wondering about inner CV joints and how they pull out of the rear diff on 95 era legacies... I have a diff upgrade which requires pulluing the CVs from the diff, and I do not think mine are like I want them to be....with a pin, like older subies are. cheers, -mark-

O.K. I'm back to reviving oldness of threads... I'm finally getting into installing my RX CLSD. I now have a 99 OB 5MT with 4.11s and it's paired rear diff... I've got it open and varified it's openness BUT here's the problem! My 95 leggo (3.90 and worse yet, the intended home (99 OB 4.11s) don't have the roller pin for the inside of the half shaft... unless I'm missing something. ALSO, it looks like the inner splines (to go into the LSD (aka "chunk") unit are different from my OB inner splines... AKA, how can I get those RX splines to mate with OB half shafts? SOOOO, how does one put this CLSD into a legacy/Outback rear diff?? I recall folks saying they've put these "chunks" into 4.11s and 4.44s no problem... So I'm looking for help from these well experienced suby wrenches. I admit I've never had a diff in-hand before, and the fact that I just pulled my tranny last week kind of freaks me out that I won't get it back together again.... I hope I will continue to exceed my experience in a successful manner by learning as I push my comfort limits, but I REALLY want to be able to use this LSD in my OB rear diff... Please help!! IF not, look for it on the marketplace for $280ish . . .

95 legacy with: **EDIT** 99 OB 5MT and rear diff swap, awesomeness of 4.11s!!!! **EDIT** KYB GR2 struts spec'd for 99 OB, 99 FOR rear springs 94 SVX front springs with 99 FOR front upper spring perches, 99 OB rear control arm brackets, 99 OB rear sway bar, customized , mudrat baja bumper, proline 14" rims (offset is less than Suby's 55) 27x 8.5 14" General Grabber AT2 tires. custom 2-tone paint scheme

Sweet awesomeness!!! Very nice work on the IMP!! I like I like!! BUT. . . . . . how did you get this to work in your diff? Does that MY IMP have pins for the diff side of the half shafts? I have an CLSD to put into my legacy, and now have an OB tranny and rear end. BUT problems with compatability. . . Not hijacking here, I'm loving your build just inquiring on a detail. . . thanks, -mw-

That sounds good! I'll check prices, although I already bought the one spec'd for 99 OB with 2.2 (again) from carquest last week. @$167 +tax, it seemed fine, compared to the same pack spec'd for the 2.5 at $240ish. . . The guy there's used to me returning stuff though

roger that. I've posted in the legacy forums there and will look for another place to post. beginning web, suby stalker mode . . . Yeah, TheLoyale... I argee cheers ya'll!!

UUH OOH Bennie, you might've just made my day!!!! I might have to edit my last post above! BTW, bennie, I've been scoring for an EJ D/R over on AUsubaru, and I really appreciate the info and help you've given me over there!! So my latest is this... My reverse died and I sourced a good 99 OB 5MT with 4.11s last week. So I figured I'd at least get 4.11s while I continue my D/R EJ searching, AND I'd have experience ad dropping the tranny. So at this point, my rear diff and tranny are out of the car and I'm swapping the brackets etc. from my 95 clutch-driven tranny over to the 99 hydro clutch-driven 99 OB 5MT. But I came across info about the high 5th in OBs and I have a lower (.780) in my 95 5MT, so I thought, while I have stuff on the grpound, and am going to open the 95 5MT anyway, maybe (if it's not a huge PITA) I'll look into swapping out the 5th to have a better overdrive than the stock 99 OB 5th... I need to pull the rear case off and am going to crack the box open to look at tht ereverse gear, spo if 5th is on the back when you pop off the rear case, then I might be able to do it!!!! thanks man!!! (here's a quick thread I put up asking for info on clutches, when marrying a 99 OB 5MT (which was behjind a 2.5) to ann EJ22) http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=122844