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Try to imagine a 'car' with one normal wheel replaced with a 'tank tread' arrangement. A center, driven axle opposite the tire on the other side and some sort of idler/bogey wheels positioned one forward and one to the rear of the driven axle. Let's say the tank tread is 4 times the circumference of the other tires in it's length. If the car is pushed straight ahead, the 3 tires move the same amount - let's say 1 revolution. The 'tank tread' has only moved 1/4 of it's lenght, but, if it's axle is the same distance from the ground as the other 3 axles - it's axle has made one revolution, just as the other axles have. An under inflated but larger tire would behave the same way (sure, increased sidwall flex would cause more heat and , as pointed out, there could be other safety/wear issues) and lag behind in rotation but it's axle would turn the same amount as the other 3 tires if it's the same distance from the ground. If you throw turning into the issue, I think it might present an opportunity for drivetrain stress to be relieved - as would a gravel or other low traction surface. It took me some time to get my head around it as you all can witness in my embarassing participation in the previously mentioned thread. It's an interesting academic argument, but in practice - get tires that are the same. Carl
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Well, I do not have the training you do and it took me a long time to realize the actual issue (there's long thread about this from a month or 2 back, very interesting) but the problem with altering pressures to get the proper - um - 'operating radius' - is, you may affect tire safety negatively, too little and sidewall flex will increase the heat and outer edges will wear faster, too much pressure and center tread will wear faster, etc. I think 1-2 psi different from 'ideal' is probably OK for most of us. best is too just get new tires and rotate them, or have a newer tire 'shaved' to mix in with 3 older ones ,etc. Again, long high speed trips on the highway are probably the main risk(to a center differential). After all, even making a turn is gonna vector some mass to one side, changing the axle to ground distance some. I think you can probably make some pressure adjustments to 'skate by' for a while, but getting new tires brings a lot of pluses - you know the history/age of them, you can choose the type tire you want for your intended driving style/area, increased safety, etc. I wouldn't delay too long. if you're interested in seeing me display my ignorance; http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=51194&highlight=radius+tank+tread lol! Carl
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If u read some of the archived threads on this issue, you will find there a re a lot of variables and often, folks do get by without damage. It's a little like the issue with oil. COULD someone get to 250K miles only using the cheapest oil and changing every 10,000 miles? Yeah, maybe somewhere someone could. But would you recommend it as a normal practice? Just because your car isn't displaying any symptoms now, might not mean the lifespan of the center diff hasn't been cut in half or that it will break tomorrow. So much depends on the type of driving too. If its been on soft roads gravel etc. the forces are relieved before the drivetrain builds up any stress. Lots of surface street driving might do the same. Long distance highway travel would be much worse. Also, the actual distance from the center of the axle to the ground is the issue, that's why(in addition to other factors) the fronts usually list a higher pressure than the rears, exactly as you noted, it's heavier and more pressure will keep the 'proper' inflation in the tire for the load that's on it. the 1/4" is some engineer's safety margin compromise number. probably not just made up out of thin air - but probably has some margin of variance that will also yield satisfactory performance/life. You just want to minimize the stress on the drivetrain when operating strictly on hard/dry surfaces for long periods of time. That requires no speed differences among the 4 axles. Carl
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If u read some of the archived threads on this issue, you will find there a re a lot of variables and often, folks do get by without damage. It's a little like the issue with oil. COULD someone get to 250K miles only using the cheapest oil and changing every 10,000 miles? Yeah, maybe somewhere someone could. But would you recommend it as a normal practice? Just because your car isn't displaying any symptoms now, might not mean the lifespan of the center diff hasn't been cut in half or that it will break tomorrow. So much depends on the type of driving too. If its been on soft roads gravel etc. the forces are relieved before the drivetrain builds up any stress. Lots of surface street driving might do the same. Long distance highway travel would be much worse. Also, the actual distance from the center of the axle to the ground is the issue, that's why(in addition to other factors) the fronts usually list a higher pressure than the rears, exactly as you noted, it's heavier and more pressure will keep the 'proper' inflation in the tire for the load that's on it. the 1/4" is some engineer's safety margin compromise number. probably not just made up out of thin air - but probably has some margin of variance that will also yield satisfactory performance/life. You just want to minimize the stress on the drivetrain when operating strictly on hard/dry surfaces for long periods of time. That requires no speed differences among the 4 axles. Carl
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I would definitely confirm that the stock wheels were NOT those '02s that someone pulled outta the dumpster or something and put on your car at the dealership - there must be a number or code on them to confirm they are not the recalled ones. From what I've read at tirerack, lug nuts can make a big difference, number of threads engaged, depth, angle/shape of the contact area. Maybe you need different nuts for the winter vs summer rims? Have any enemies? I dunno Carl
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There are a lot of links there and one mentioned that batteries sometimes get replaced when they are still good - that could 'bias' that map lower. Still, where I live, more than 3 years is pushing it and I've had them die sooner.( at least twice I've gotten the AZ 'gold'/whatever series 3 year full replacement) Carl
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EDIT!; please check near the bottom of this page; http://www.cars101.com/recalls.html wasn't there an alloy wheel recall? I forget which year but I THINK it was the Outback. Anyway - that is crazy. Is the rim cracked? I'd definitely swap that wheel with another one and see if the problem stays at the hub or follows the wheel. Actually, I'd probably try to get opinions from some tire/wheel guys and the dealership. get that investigated. Carl