Scooby17 Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) So from what I understand the timing marks on the camshaft cogs should be 180 degrees out from another. I just got this car and was told the timing belt was done semi-recently. Then, the other day she just dies and it seemed alot like timing belts and there were some breaks in the covers and it seemed like the whole job was sloppy. Anyways. I get in there and the cam marks look like they are lined up (not 180 out). Before this the car shook a bit at idle (don't have tach) and got 20 mpg tops but seemed good otherwise... So I'm wondering if the timing is a problem seperate from my car dying or if it may have just now slipped some? (and was maybe off a bit in the first place) Basicaly the question is could it run those 8-12 teeth off timing??? or is that what has killed it now? Thanks. Here's some photos http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.editAlbumPhotos&albumID=912921 I knew myspace was good for something Never done TBs b4 so I'd really appreciate any advice. Edited October 26, 2009 by Scooby17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyale 2.7 Turbo Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Well... I had a similar Problem Some time ago; one of my EA82 Subie`s Timin` Belt Slipped, Due to the Fact that it Missed Some Theet! You could see Pictures and More information about, Here: http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=99888&page=4 Also, I Kindly Suggest you to Read the Great MilesFox`s Write up about the Timin` Belt Procedure in EA82`s ... it could be Found at the USRM. Kind Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby17 Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 Bad news... times at least five. all though one is unrelated. 1) Legacy vs Deer. need new RH headlight/marker and windshield rest regarding '87 dl 2) I couldn't find the 3 marks for cam timing on my flywheel... it's pretty rusty (The is one mark that someone made in orange in all the marks for ignition timing but thats unrelated ???) 3) While I was turning over the crank looking for the timer marks it seemed like it would almost bind every now and then and after a trip or two around there was a clanking sound like something dropping (like every other little turn or other).:-\ 4) Where do i get a full timing belt kit? 1st subaru wants over 250$ found gates set on rockauto for 130? are they good enough? I defineately know the TBs are wrong now. when the Driver side mark is top the passenger side is almost top as well (like 10 o'clock) Thanks again for any and all help:confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) get timing kits off ebay $60 is a steal for all those new pulleys. im' not sure what's going on here with all this "clanking" you're talking about. does it sound internal, like in the engine? if you have an y suspicion the engine is bad i'd just throw some used parts at it (post in the parts wanted section here) before investing any money into this thing. but of course at $60 the ebay kit is hard to beat. Edited October 27, 2009 by grossgary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby17 Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 Yes-- it kind of does sound internal in the passenger side. not sure though. I've heard bad things about those ebay kits on the board. both as far as pulleys locking up and belts not lasting long.. any1 like to comment on that/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby17 Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hmmh. well... that's not too good. It appears one of the two (10mm?) bolts holding the back timing belt cover fell out... took.. idk... probably at least 50-100 trips around the camshaft sprocket and then finally blocked it!!! I'll edit some pics in just a sec.. gonna go sign up for some picture hosting... Any1 have a Pass side cam sprocket... it bent the ************ out of mine ... what kind of damage could this have done to the rest of my valve timing??:-\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 intersting oddball scenario. i bet just the sprocket got damaged. replace it and i'll bet you're golden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby17 Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 (edited) "3) While I was turning over the crank looking for the timer marks it seemed like it would almost bind every now and then and after a trip or two around there was a clanking sound like something dropping (like every other little turn or other)." we know what that was now... hmmh.." also found the timing marks.. had to use a flashlight in broad daylight. now i got some bright yellow auto paint and marked it... here's pics: http://picasaweb.google.com/SnowScooby17/CamshaftSpocketIsDead# Edited October 28, 2009 by Scooby17 ugh.. pics. not likingme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niku-Sama Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 how the hell? those things are pretty stout, i wonder if some jack rump roast was prying them off with something from behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby17 Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 how the hell?those things are pretty stout, i wonder if some jack rump roast was prying them off with something from behind. Nope... a loose bolt pushed its way out from inside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 can't see the sprocket too well but i'd just replace it and see what happens. i'd be sure to reseal that cam cap too. there's an oring and a seal there, replace them both. thepartsbin.com and rockauto.com both sell cam seal "kits" which have both seal and oring good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdjdc Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I have a cam sprocket if you want one. Let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby17 Posted October 31, 2009 Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 I have a cam sprocket if you want one. Let me know. PM sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyale 2.7 Turbo Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Nope... a loose bolt pushed its way out from inside Holy Cow! ... and I Thought that my Subies Timin` Problem was Weird! Good Luck! Kind Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby17 Posted November 8, 2009 Author Share Posted November 8, 2009 she's alive Thanks alot for the cam sprocket! Still idles too high so I probably need to find my vaccuum leak (I know one is carb to intake.. missing a bolt...) Can't wait to take this onto the trails, the stock legacy did awful today... lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobiedubie Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 It looks like the top bolt that holds the camshaft in place, was stripped and then backed out. That backed out bolt then bound up your camshaft toothed sprocket. Fortunately, there are extra threads available in that hole that the bolt backed out of. You will need to find a longer 10 mm headed bolt however. Or you can get a used camshaft housing at your local used auto parts reseller. Of course, then you will have to reset your distributor in the new housing, which can be difficult. Easy to find a longer bolt. And the teeth have to be exactly on. There is a hole in the face of the toothed sprocket that lines up with a notch in the black plastic rear cambelt cover. Or on the other belt side, the same hole would be directly opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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