backcountrycrui Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 So Im looking at this 1986 wagon. 120k and in really nice shape. 6 years ago current owner purchased it with a bad Head Gasket. He decided to rebuild the motor. He used the original pistons, rods and crank. He honed the cylinders, re-ringed the pistons, new bearings and seals at all points. Remaned heads, ect. He rebuilt the old carb too. So when he tried to start it it seemed like only one half of the engine was fireing. He thinks that there is something wrong with the heads or valves. Does that make sense? I havent had a chance to turn it over, if it will. Is it possible that he didnt line up the timing marks when he installed the belts? Im think about it as a parts car but it is very nice and I would like to get it runing. It has been SIX years without running. If I buy it I guess it would be good to get the oil pressure up and serculating before it actualy starts:-\ . Any way, any ideas? Thanks guys Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry DeMoss Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Definately start at making sure the timing belts are set up proper on that engine. There are 2 on that engine and they are easy to get mixed up if you aren't familiar with it. Also the carb on those isn't the best. You would be wise to eventually put a weber on there if you got the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quidam Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Six years around here and the entire fuel system would need to come apart and be cleaned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank B Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Could be out of time, double check that the timing belts were installed properly. Or that one isn't just missing! One belt also drives the oil pump, the other belt drives the cam that the distributor is sriven off of, the engine, or that half, can run poorly if the other belt breaks, but you have no oil pressure so it won't be runnning for long.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank B Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) I love it when replies are made while you replying . So yeah, what they said ^^^ Edited December 11, 2009 by Frank B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backcountrycrui Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 OK, thanks guys. Seeing as the rebuild is almost 6 years old, do you think that the engine will still be ok when I get it runing? Or do you think that is will be shot. 6 years without a drop of oil run through it. Do you think that is would be froze up? Thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quidam Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 "Do you think that is would be froze up?" No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john in KY Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Previous owner made a mistake and installed both timing belts straight up. Last year inherited a car that sat for almost 20 years in a garage. Had to replace thee entire fuel system and radiator but after that, engine fired right up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backcountrycrui Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 OK well I bought it from the guy. He delivered the wagon this afternoon. I will take some pics in the morning. Im going check the belts in the moring. I will let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesFox Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 i have seen several soobs that were gotten free or cheap, or were assumed to have bad heads or valves because the belts are installed incorrectly. in theory, the engine is single cam 4 cylinder but in its horizontal design, you have 2 cams, but its single cam. because of this, the cams are phased 180 away from eachother. that means once you install the first belt, you have to rotate the crank a full 360 bfore the other belt is installed. mechanics not familiar with subaru often make this mistake, not knowing of or thinking about said crank rotation. you can just orient the passenger cam the other way, full 180, that will fix it. run through the belt rotation procedure to check the alignment of your belts http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=50768 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backcountrycrui Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 OK thanks guys. Ive got the belts all installed correctly now. All I have to do is get the six year old gas out of the tank and refill it. And naturally it is FULL. The gas doesnt smell bad, but I figure it would be best to change it out. I will have to get a super syphon at the parts store this evening. Ill let you know how it goes. Thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backcountrycrui Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 Guys, I got everything buttoned up and it still is acting like it is out of time. I tried moving the dist. both clockwise and counterclockwise. It doesnt seem to make a difference. Im getting backfires out of the carb. Is it possible that the cam sproket is installed wrong? Or the distributer? It turns over a little hard, but is making decent oil pressure. The heads are supposed to be remaned units purchased when the did the rebuild. Any more Ideas? Thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesFox Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 its possib;le the disty is 180 off. you want to make sure the belt timing is correct, then go through the procedure to make sure the disty timing is correct, since it is driven by the inner timing belt(the one installed first) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torxxx Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I second what fox said. disty is 180 out or you have the firing order wrong. goes counter clockwise 1 3 2 4 #1 is the one on the cap closest to the brake booster. 3 points at the passenger side strut tower, #2 points at the alternator #4 points at the drivers side strut tower. #1 cylinder on the engine is the one closest to passenger head light then straight across the engine is #2, #3 is on same side as #1, 4 is on same side as 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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