95 Legacy clutch cable question

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I can't think of the right word for what part I want to point out but I know if you look under the hood on top of the tranny you have this fork looking part that holds the clutch cable and then has a long spring.

 

anyways should that part have a lot of play in it?

[Legacy777]

You talking about the clutch fork?

 

There's going to be a little play, but I don't think there should be a lot. If there's a lot, one of the clips that holds the clutch fork onto the throw out bearing may have come loose.

[1-3-2-4]

You talking about the clutch fork?

 

There's going to be a little play, but I don't think there should be a lot. If there's a lot, one of the clips that holds the clutch fork onto the throw out bearing may have come loose.

 

 

 

the clips are visible from looking at the clutch fork I just see one roll pin.. I brought the car used so I don't know how many comes on it.

[Fairtax4me]

The clips he's talking about hold the release bearing to the fork and are inside the bell housing. You won't be able to see these from the outside without removing the boot around the release lever.

 

Service manual says something like 1/4" of free play is what should be at the end of the fork. If there's more than that try adjusting the release cable. If the cable is loose the engagement point of the clutch will be near the bottom of the pedal travel (near the firewall).

 

Think you could take a picture of that spring and where it attaches? My 96 doesn't have one, but I think it's supposed to. I just can't figure where it attaches to the bell housing.

Edited January 16, 2010 by Fairtax4me

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The clips he's talking about hold the release bearing to the fork and are inside the bell housing. You won't be able to see these from the outside without removing the boot around the release lever.

 

Service manual says something like 1/4" of free play is what should be at the end of the fork. If there's more than that try adjusting the release cable. If the cable is loose the engagement point of the clutch will be near the bottom of the pedal travel (near the firewall).

 

Think you could take a picture of that spring and where it attaches? My 96 doesn't have one, but I think it's supposed to. I just can't figure where it attaches to the bell housing.

 

 

 

yeah I will grab a picture along with a video of what I mean.

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here is the video

 

[Fairtax4me]

Side to side movement is nothing to worry about. It can't go anywhere.

 

I did find a section in the FSM concerning the release lever return spring. It is only there on models that do not have the hill holder brake. Yours has the hill holder, so it should neither need nor have that spring. That spring on your car is in no way a factory part. A P/O must have decided the pedal feel was too light and just wanted to stiffen it up some. Which is fine, but hooking a hardware store spring around a random metal line on the engine isn't the way to do it. I'd take it off if it was on my car.

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Side to side movement is nothing to worry about. It can't go anywhere.

 

I did find a section in the FSM concerning the release lever return spring. It is only there on models that do not have the hill holder brake. Yours has the hill holder, so it should neither need nor have that spring. That spring on your car is in no way a factory part. A P/O must have decided the pedal feel was too light and just wanted to stiffen it up some. Which is fine, but hooking a hardware store spring around a random metal line on the engine isn't the way to do it. I'd take it off if it was on my car.

 

 

My hill holder was disconnected when I got the car and the spring was on when I got the car.. It never did seem like it was factory but good to know I can take it off now.

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removed the spring.. the pedal feels really good now sometimes on hills I developed cramps.

 

anyways something that's just started now is (with or without spring)

 

the clutch fork I noticed it's making this squealing type sound when driving or at idle and I give it throttle.. however if you hold the clutch fork to one side and give it throttle the squeal sound goes away..

 

Any suggestions?

[Fairtax4me]

Might be the TOB on the way out. Did you re-connect the hill holder? The fork does need some tension to pull the TOB back off of the pressure plate when the cable is at rest, otherwise the TOB will wear out REAL quick.

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Might be the TOB on the way out. Did you re-connect the hill holder? The fork does need some tension to pull the TOB back off of the pressure plate when the cable is at rest, otherwise the TOB will wear out REAL quick.

 

well I brought the car at 198K and I have just about 217K on it now. when I brought the car the guy had just put in a new clutch.. but I have a feeling that they reused the old TOB (why would you do that???)

 

with the clutch depressed (depends on how fast you press it) the TOB will rattle and stops when you release the clutch.

 

I never could get the hill holder cable back on without having bloody hands because of the part that turns it has so much force it felt like it was impossible to hold it while I slipped the cable around.

[Fairtax4me]

A lot of people say new brakes, new clutch that kind of thing when they sell a car, but how old is "new" is the question. "New" might be a year ago. You don't really know unless you watched them do it. You also don't know what was actually replaced. They might have just put a new disc in it and left it at that.

Test the clutch by driving down a road at about 40-45mph in 4th gear. Push the pedal in, put the gas on the floor, and rip the pedal back out. Engine speed should come right back to where it was before within a half second or so and the car should jerk and throw you around for a second. If the engine speed rides back down over the course of a few seconds, the clutch is worn or not in good shape and you'll probably want a new one.

 

The hill holder cable is easier to re-attach if you disconnect it from the release lever first. You can get at the cable end on the lever easier from the passenger side of the car, it may sound weird but there IS more room that way.

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A lot of people say new brakes, new clutch that kind of thing when they sell a car, but how old is "new" is the question. "New" might be a year ago. You don't really know unless you watched them do it. You also don't know what was actually replaced. They might have just put a new disc in it and left it at that.

Test the clutch by driving down a road at about 40-45mph in 4th gear. Push the pedal in, put the gas on the floor, and rip the pedal back out. Engine speed should come right back to where it was before within a half second or so and the car should jerk and throw you around for a second. If the engine speed rides back down over the course of a few seconds, the clutch is worn or not in good shape and you'll probably want a new one.

 

The hill holder cable is easier to re-attach if you disconnect it from the release lever first. You can get at the cable end on the lever easier from the passenger side of the car, it may sound weird but there IS more room that way.

 

 

 

hmm I think some hardware is missing.. it seems on the clutch fork side the hill holder cable has like this long threaded part but I see nothing to screw it in..

[Fairtax4me]

There should be two nuts on the back side of the pin on the release lever. One larger than the other, the small one is used as a lock nut to just hold the larger one in place. Those are threaded onto the end of the cable which is fed through the hole in the center of the pin on the release lever.

I tried to take a picture of mine but it there's not enough room to get a camera in there for a decent shot.

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I should of taken a picture of mine but you will see it seems like the nuts must of backed off and dropped off.

 

I also did the 40 mph test and the clutch is fine.

Edited January 21, 2010 by 1-3-2-4