Gutterboy Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I need help in the worst way. I have a 96 2.2 litre Impreza that I brought to a local japanese auto service centre because the car would crank but not fire. Originally the crankshaft wheel fell off and the guy replaced it. Long story short, he got it running. I paid him and drove it away. It drove all day and night with no problems. I didn't do any squirreling and didnt do a super long trip that do. No more than about 50 miles. I get home that night and park it and go to bed. Throughout the day NO SYMPTOMS AT ALL. Drove like a dream. It was wonderful. Next morning, car is doing the same freaking thing. It just cranks. When this happened the first time I had checked spark from the ignition coil and I was getting spark. But now I'm not. So I need any ideas whatsoever to test, please. This is my only reliable method of transport and I'm supposed to see my daughter soon. -Do you guys know if the ignitor is separate in this motor or if it's combined with the ignition coil? -Should I get a new coil? -Could it be the cam sensor? -And it can't be the crank sensor as I bought a brand new one the first time this happened as we thought it was the culprit. Thanks in advance guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericem Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Did you tune it up with ngk spark plugs, nkg or oem wires, new fuel filter, verify if fuel pump is working?? Another possibility is the MAF sensor, try hitting it and see if it fires up actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gutterboy Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 The plugs and wires were a bit worn last week so I would assume They were fine. The fuel pump is fantastic. I didn't replace the fuel Filter yet. MAF sensor or MAP sensor? And how do I check that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qman Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 The ignitor is seperate and mounted on the firewall directly behind the throttle body. That would be my first checking point, spark. No spark then coil or ignitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericem Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 MAF sensor is the first sensor on the intake after the air filter. Hit it with something and see if it starts up. Better yet what year is the car? What motor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gutterboy Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 Oh right right. Mass air flow. My bad. Hit it? With a wrench or something? Like while someone is trying to crank? Or slam it and then crank? Its a 2.2 litre automatic. Its a '96 Impreza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gutterboy Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 What is another name for the ignitor? I ask because I checked autozone and can NOT find an ignitor anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericem Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Oh right right. Mass air flow. My bad.Hit it? With a wrench or something? Like while someone is trying to crank? Or slam it and then crank? Its a 2.2 litre automatic. Its a '96 Impreza. I guess you could use a wrench but don't break it lol. Maybe try first hitting with your hand, then trying to crank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmdew Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Back to basics! Is the check engine light on? If so get the codes read out and let us know what they are. Since the crank shaft pulley came off, there may have been some damage to the crank sensor or the key that keeps the gear aligned on the shaft. Also make sure the pulley bolt is to 125 ft lbs. Are you getting Spark now? If not the computer is most likely not getting the inputs it needs to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gutterboy Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 Yeah check engine light is on. I'm running reader tomorrow. I replaced the crank sensor with a brand new one and the mechanic fixed the key. So yeah, I put a nail in the boot plug and grounded it 1/4" away From some metal and cranked and got not a single arc. I tested All 4 plugs. And again to my ignitor question. Are you sure its separate from the coil? Cause like I said, Parts stores around here don't carry anything labled ignitor. And also, how do I test the ignitor if it is indeed separate. I'm sorry to ask so many questions. But I really wanna learn all I can about this car. Thanks again for being so helpful thus far guys and gals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subaruguru Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 when my ej swapped coupe stopped getting spark it was the coil pack strange thing is the engine is out of a 1996 impreza if you have an DVM,DOM there is a way to check it i think if you end up needing one i have a feew good ones every time i can i pull them from yards good part to have for spare. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gutterboy Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 Kk. Ill check my coil pack again. If its NOT the coil, Then where do I go from here. I wanna do these repairs Myself if possible. I got shafted by my mechanic and will not Be going back to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subaruguru Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Hmmm well if its NOT the coil and you replaced the crank angle sensor thats the one on the FRONT of the motor the one on the Rear next to the bell housing is the knock sensor and there is a cam sensor on the drivers side cam case IIRC that runs the fule. I dont think the MAF really has much to do with spark the only thing i can think it might be is a bad conection between the Crank angle sensor and the harness. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gutterboy Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 Yeah the crank position sensor on the front of the motor, but not the cam sensor on the driver side is what I replaced. I tried a few whacks on the MAF a few mins ago, with my hand, and cranked and still no ignition. Ill test the coil tomorrow morning and report back. Btw, I see a sensor looking thing against the firewall. I would assume that to be the ignitor. is it that? Better yet, ill take a photo tomorrow and upload. Cause if its that, then A) how do I test it and if it needs replaced, what is the part called? Cause as I noted, autozone has no inventory of a piece by that name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subaruguru Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 i have heard it called a spark unit idk if thats what they call it but most of the time i hear ignitor best bet would be go to a JY and pull one pop it in see if it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 They call it an Ignition Module. http://www.autozone.com/autozone/catalog/parts/partsShelf.jsp?categoryDisplayName=Electrical+%26+Lighting&fromType=parts&fromString=search&parentId=57-0¤tPage=1&filterByKeyWord=ignition+module&isSearchByPartNumber=false&navValue=15700029&categoryNValue=15799999&fromWhere=&itemId=29-0&displayName=Control+Module+-+Ignition&searchText=ignition+module And you're better off to grab one from a junkyard than pay for a new one. Question. Have you removed the timing belt cover (either side) and checked that the belt is in tact and is turning while the engine is cranking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subaruguru Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 even if the belt is popped or the crank pully came off the nubs for the sensor are on the back of the timing belt gear so it should work anyways. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesFox Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 try giving the cam sensor a wiggle. i had this problem and that is what i had to do to get it to start. i had a 95 that had trouble starting, and i suspected the engine temp sensor. cam sensor or engine temp sensor, i bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnceggleston Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 And you're better off to grab one from a junkyard than pay for a new one. Question. Have you removed the timing belt cover (either side) and checked that the belt is in tact and is turning while the engine is cranking? used is a much better option especially since you are not sure that is in fact the problem. but since this problem started with a timing issue, i'd look there first. the belt could have slipped again. remove the crank pulley, should be easy since it was just off, and timing covers and check all 3 timing marks. if they are all ok then move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gutterboy Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) timing belt is secure and where it should be. cam sensor and crank sensor are golden. I plugged in my obd2 and pulled the following code: P0355 I lost my book for the reader >.< but read online just a minute ago that a code in the P03XX range points to possibly the coil? Any thoughts? EDIT: Sorry. The code is P0335. I switched between my original coil pack and one i picked up from a junkyard a month ago and both give the same code and the car still just cranks. No firing. My buddy thinks is the starter. What say you subie aficionados? Edited March 31, 2010 by Gutterboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike104 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) Here are some generic suggestions for no start that you may want to look at: http://www.aa1car.com/library/us1296.htm The code you posted is for Coil Issues. Edited March 31, 2010 by Mike104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gutterboy Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 hmm i double check the code P0335 online and called around to mechanics and a couple auto stores especially auto zone and they said it sounds like CKP so crank sensor? that's weird cause i JUST bought a new one about 3 weeks ago. thoughts? cause right now i'm calling around to find a place to test my CKP and the ignition control module. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olnick Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Sorry. The code is P0335. My buddy thinks is the starter. What say you subie aficionados? According to the list I'm looking at, P0335 is "Crankshaft Position Sensor circuit malfunction." Check the connections, maybe try a different sensor. If the engine is cranking over it wouldn't be the starter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gutterboy Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 that's what i thought to. i figured if starter was dead i would get any cranking. i'll give the CKP a shot and report back soon mates. thanks so far for all your help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I would go back to the mechanic that just replaced the crank sensor and have them figure it out - since it was just replaced it ought to be under at least a 90 day warantee. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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