Fairtax4me Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Obviously a popular choice for timing kits here amongst the experienced members. I'm looking at their kit for my 96 Legacy, sitting at 180k on the ticker, I believe a leaky front crank seal, and a water pump or gasket that leaks roughly a quart of coolant between oil changes. I'm wondering how their water pumps are? Is it worth getting the full kit with pump, or should I just get the belt kit and tensioners and go to Subaru for a pump? Already going there for cam and crank seals, oil pump O ring, and the little bypass hose on the side of the water pump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eppoh Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 If their pumps are Asin or GMB, those are good pumps. Used them myself. Careful when you torque those bolts. The thread pull out pretty easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted October 24, 2010 Author Share Posted October 24, 2010 Looks like GMB in the pic. http://www.clutchkitcenter.com/media/images/TSET/TS26172A/TS26172AWP1.jpg Which bolts? Water pump? I've read that elsewhere. I plan to seal it up with Indian head so I don't have to torque it to get a good seal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebugs Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 I get an OEM WP gasket. Worth the money. I have a collection of the cardboard ones that come with the pumps that have never been used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnceggleston Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 i have 24k on a complete set from them including the cam and crank seals with no worries. my first WP gasket from them was oem, but my last one was cardboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted October 25, 2010 Author Share Posted October 25, 2010 The OE gasket isn't paper? Or is it just better quality paper? I haven't ever had much trouble with paper gaskets. But I can tell the one on the car is paper, and it appears to be leaking. :-\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebugs Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 OEM is rubber coated metal. They all look a little warped, don't worry. Install dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted October 25, 2010 Author Share Posted October 25, 2010 (edited) I likes rubber. It lists for $4, so I can probably get it for $2, I say that's worth it. Thanks Dave. Ordered the kit from TIE. Bought and paid fo'! Edited October 25, 2010 by Fairtax4me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaredb3000 Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 The kit I bought last week for 94ej22 was gmb, oem but with a cardboard gasket. Paid monday morning, got it weds night-whole kit cost less than the water pump alone at my local subaru dealer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebugs Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 I've installed many of their idler sets. I usually buy a Dayco belt local, and the WP is the same local where I'm getting plugs, accessory belts, etc so I just get them there. I did install one of their MitshbOshi belts on a 95 2.2 a few years ago and haven't heard anything back. I know that I've probbaly installed atleast 5 sets of their idlers that have gone another 100k because the folks asked me to do the next timing belt job and I don't work on other folks cars. Still a better gamble than letting OEM's go that long, and much more affordable than dealer. An excellent compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eppoh Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 I plan to seal it up with Indian head so I don't have to torque it to get a good seal. How is the Indian Head stuff to clean up when you change the pump the next time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebugs Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 It'll SUCK. I've had to follow folks who used crap like this before. Can't swear it was Indian Head but how many other products like that are there? OEM, dry, done. Another sidebar discussion. Just like the only rear main seals I've ever needed to replace had already been replaced. The only leaking waterpumps have always been the gasket, and always cardboard or permatex, or Indian Head - never OEM. Something else to think about. Did I mention - just get the OEM gasket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted October 25, 2010 Author Share Posted October 25, 2010 How is the Indian Head stuff to clean up when you change the pump the next time? Comes off pretty easy with a solvent. Indian head doesn't "dry" per-se. It does harden but you can still kinda mush it around like tar. It sticks to EVERYTHING though, and it WILL NOT come out of clothing. (How do I know that?! ) So you have to be careful with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 (edited) Only two things I will use on water pumps - OEM metal gasket (prefered in this case) or loctite 518 (which I use on EA's). Either will work fine. The 518 peels right off leaving a nice clean surface since it remains somewhat flexible. It seals like nothing else though. Subaru crankcase halves, oil pumps, water pumps, etc - it won't clog any passages since it doesn't dry except in the absence of oxygen. That Indian Head stuff is old tech. I wouldn't even consider using it on anything. There are now much better options even for 1950's gaskets. GD Edited October 25, 2010 by GeneralDisorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebugs Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Just ordered 2 timing sets. One for a Subaru, the other my first try from these folks for a 2003 VW 2.0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted October 28, 2010 Author Share Posted October 28, 2010 Picked up some goodies form the soob dealer today. $2.62 for the WP gasket. I was close. But I ran it up to $60 between seals, O rings, and hoses. Going back for heater hoses Monday when the radiator hoses come in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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