Fix or Dump?

[mikekerstetter]

Once you drive and own non throw away car, you will understand. Obviously you have yet to do so, or you would be agreeing with me Been there, done that, and you haven't, so really you can't say whether or not the hyundai is better. I can. Its not. I have owned both types cars for several years and can say that with confidence. You on the other hand have not, so you can not say otherwise, well at least you can't with authority. You can say all you want, but it doesn't mean much

 

Yeah, I've not found one car worth putting more money in than it's worth, and that includes the 6 Subaru's I've owned. I guess with age comes wisdom.

 

You portray yourself as a self-proclaimed expert and tell me I don't have the experience you have. I guess paying attention to and considering what another person writes before giving an opinion is also a virtue of age. Had you been paying attention, you would realize how foolish the diatribe you wrote in your last post sounds. As previously stated, I HAVE previously owned a Hyundai, albeit re-badged as a Mitsubishi, and I HAVE owned 6 Subaru's. I can make an informed opinion, from my experience, that Subaru and Hyundai are of comparable quality and value for the money. It's foolish, given the myriad of problems over the past decade and a half, to claim Subaru is an industry leader in quality. The facts just don't support the rhetoric. :cool:

[eulogious]

Yeah, I've not found one car worth putting more money in than it's worth, and that includes the 6 Subaru's I've owned. I guess with age comes wisdom.

 

You portray yourself as a self-proclaimed expert and tell me I don't have the experience you have. I guess paying attention to and considering what another person writes before giving an opinion is also a virtue of age. Had you been paying attention, you would realize how foolish the diatribe you wrote in your last post sounds. As previously stated, I HAVE previously owned a Hyundai, albeit re-badged as a Mitsubishi, and I HAVE owned 6 Subaru's. I can make an informed opinion, from my experience, that Subaru and Hyundai are of comparable quality and value for the money. It's foolish, given the myriad of problems over the past decade and a half, to claim Subaru is an industry leader in quality. The facts just don't support the rhetoric. :cool:

 

Wow, really? Now you are going to attack me? Whateva man. I was just trying to have a "spirited" debate with you, but obviously you have no idea how to do that. Notice how I never called you a fool for buying a hyundai? That would be mean, and not the point of this forum or any of my posts for that matter, even though its a very true statement, and one I would say to your face as well.

 

I have given examples of what I know and what I have worked with and seen the difference in quality when these cars are torn apart. I probably have pictures to prove this, but you are not worth the time it would take to find the pictures to prove it. You have mention NO experience what so ever to back up your claims but to say you have "owned one" and are "older and wiser" so you must be right.

 

I really hate it when people confuse experience and age. They are NOT the same thing. Yes you are older, but wiser, not so much, or we would still be having a "spirited" debate instead of personally insulting the other side.

 

Anyone who walks into a Hyundai dealship isn't going there to buy the best car on the market. They want a cheap, reliable car to go from point a to point b, nothing else. And when that car breaks, they go get a new one, they don't fix it! Ok, so you are apparently the exception, but that doesn't change the rules! They are cheap, throw away cars, nothing more, nothing less, and there is nothing wrong with that. It's just not a subaru, or any other quality vehicle for that matter. I think the price tag is pretty much all I need to prove that point.

 

Remember that the only guaranteed things to come with age are blindness, bad health and a failing memory, not necessarily wisdom and virtue, let alone respect. You have to earn those last three.

 

And with that, I am now unsubscribed from this thread and done talking to you about this, I have much better things to do with my time.

[rxleone]

No, please continue! I'm enjoying you two arguing!!

[eulogious]

Broke because you keep fixing your Subaru? LOL My 2 '89's leaked oil like crazy, not to mention they rusted severely. (Although you'd think the oil would have prevented them from rusting. Didn't happen though)

 

Oh, and for the record, no I am not broke from fixing my subaru. I am broke because I support a family, and my wife lost her job due to injuries because of a car accident, you rump roast.

 

In the last year I spent about $100 on normal maintanence items, that was it (if you don't count rolling your car over on the freeway and totaling it and buying a new subaru). Everything else I fixed by using good ol' elbow grease, common sense, and this forum. I would NEVER spend $750 to "fix" a car that wasn't fixed. Let alone have a prospect of spending $1800 to $2500 to fix a car. That's just silly. I have resources and I don't mind getting dirty myself and helping out, and that saves TONS of money. Not to mention I am not an rump roast, so people tend to actually help me out.

 

I just had to comment on this because it really pissed me off. I was going to let it go, but after the latest comments, I had to say something. Man some people! Really, I am done here now.

Edited January 7, 2011 by eulogious

[MilesFox]

So, what was Subaru's remedy for the shakes? Oh, that's right, they haven't come up with one yet.

 

 

 

Again I find it odd that you can say that with a straight face knowing that Subaru has no idea what is causing a well documented problem with its Outbacks. Apparently the dealers you took it to couldn't duplicate the problem. Subaru knows of the problem and can't find a cause.

 

 

 

Broke because you keep fixing your Subaru? LOL My 2 '89's leaked oil like crazy, not to mention they rusted severely. (Although you'd think the oil would have prevented them from rusting. Didn't happen though)

 

 

 

Really, no mechanical issues for 6 years, gets great gas mileage, but it's a throw away car. Interesting.

 

 

 

Equally as interesting.

 

 

 

 

Your 90 Legacy is not the 2000 OBW that I was driving. It wasn't the 1st or 2nd generation 2.5 with all of it's HG problems. HG's shouldn't fail under 100,000 miles. They should realistically last well past 100,000 miles, pushing the 200,000 mile mark. The gen 1 and 2 were failing sometimes at 30,000 miles. Mine were fixed two years ago, and were failing again. Subaru has everyone dumping stop leak in the radiator as their solution to that problem. What about the fuel line problem that was never addressed? Again, my 2 '89' GL10's, '91 legacy wagon, and '95 Impreza all leaked oil. I've seen post after post on the P0420 CEL problem on many Subarus. Quality my arse. These pages and the pages of various other Subaru forums are jammed full of broken Subaru repair questions.

 

 

 

I'm a fan of Subaru. I've enjoyed every one of them, except for this one. Fuel smell, coolant smell, bad alternator, replaced the exhaust from the cat back, replaced the O2 sensor and STILL have the CEL on constantly. I've put $750 in this car in 2 months since I bought it with the prospect of putting $1800 to $2500 more into it to repair current problems (still have an exhaust leak somewhere up front). What is going to need repaired next? How much money does one sink into a car that is seemingly falling apart? I'm glad you like your Subaru. I've liked my previous Subaru's. But I'm not naive enough to claim that Subaru is 'quality' above all other manufacturers. The track record indicates otherwise.

 

 

it comes down to doing the work youself or paying someone to do it. I can deal with oil seals and timing belts on a subaru, mainly for the fact that the subaru is easier to service.

[mikekerstetter]

No, please continue! I'm enjoying you two arguing!!

 

LOL. At least you are being entertained. But what do I know, the genius says my opinions don't count. ROTFL

[mikekerstetter]

it comes down to doing the work youself or paying someone to do it. I can deal with oil seals and timing belts on a subaru, mainly for the fact that the subaru is easier to service.

 

 

Yes, if you are mechanically inclined you can do a lot of the work yourself. I'm not, and I don't have the location nor the patience to do it. My only point in this whole thread-turned debate is that at some point the cost and or work involved is not worth putting into the vehicle. I'm really not knocking Subaru. I liked all of my previous Subaru's. But the fact remains that they all have had common Subaru issues. For someone to tell me that Subaru builds vehicles which are superior in quality to other vehicles, given the past decade and a half of HG failures, oil leaks prior to that, and the current shake issue, is just ludicrous in my opinion.

[mikekerstetter]

Wow, really? Now you are going to attack me? Whateva man.

 

 

So, it's OK to tell me that my opinion doesn't matter but when I give it back you cry foul? LOL, get your panties in a bunch much? I've given solid, factual rebuttals which you completely ignored and told me I didn't know what I was talking about. You need to man up and admit it when you're proven wrong. And, just for the record, I've not called you anything. I said your argument was foolish, I didn't call you a fool. There is quite a difference.

 

[mikekerstetter]

Just under a week and I am happy with my purchase. Had two small snow storms come through that left under 2" each. Had no problems getting around in that. Interested in seeing how it handles a bigger storm. 29mpg driving my 7 miles to work is a plus too. It's been a few years since I've gone a winter without either AWD or a 4x4. I started life driving all rear wheel drive cars and 4x2 trucks. Although I had to work at it sometimes, I always got where I was going safely. My first FWD car was a '93 Ford Escort Wagon, which I purchased 2 weeks prior to the blizzard of '93. While it wasn't as good as AWD, I had no trouble driving the 20 miles home in the height of that storm. It was a year or two after that I bought my first Subaru, an '89 GL10 wagon with the 5 spd. and the old true 4x4 (fwd/4x4/4x4low). I loved that car so much that when I finally had to get rid of it because of rust I bought an '89 GL10 sedan with the same set up. I bought that car for $1800, drove it for 4 years and then sold it for $1750 after I bought a '90 Legacy Wagon. My wife drove a '92 Loyale Wagon, which was the same body style as the GL10's but wasn't the same driving. It had a push button to engage the AWD and it didn't have the low range option. It probably was my least favorite Subaru, it didn't have the feel of the others. Maybe because we bought it with an 'R' title (it was wrecked and totaled but a local Subaru shop bought it, repaired it, and put it back on the road) was the reason, I'm not sure. Our next purchase was a '95 Impreza wagon with a 5 spd. We got that car when the front pulley was coming off the shaft due to a bad key or keyway used to keep it in place on the '90 Legacy. I was using a local shop that specialized in selling and repairing used Subaru's. The repair bill was pretty hefty at the time, the car had 180,000 miles on it, and I was eyeing up the Impreza, so I asked them what they would give me in a trade for the Impreza. I got a fair deal and dumped the Legacy. I drove that Impreza for several years with no problems. I traded it a few years ago to get a truck that I thought I 'needed'. That was my last Subaru until I bought this one. The 2000 OBW ran good and was smooth riding. Too bad there were all the things going wrong in rapid succession.

[idosubaru]

I'm an AWD fan but truthfully snow tires and even studded snow tires are excellent upgrades for snow traction if necessary. Given the dinky mileages you're talking about it hardly sounds like it matters what vehicle you get.

 

It's a dynamic discussion. There's too many variables in cars and people for everyone to view things the same, different people, vehicles, and fits. For some people Subaru's really aren't worth it, so it's easy to get turned off.

 

Yep, there are headgasket problems. Though I would suspect that comparing 50,000 Subaru's you'd see more of them making high miles. (Beyond just the fact that they're more expensive, higher resale makes them more likely to have money put into repairs.) But not many people want that kind of mileage. And the high price of a Subaru isn't worth it to some folks...particularly if they're suspect of things like HG's, that's understandable.

 

Researching online is helpful. You may have avoided the HG drama with some research. To me forums like this and others are more than a handful of anecdotal statistically insignificant opinions or weak consumer reviews. I wouldn't buy an EJ25 vehicle unless it's dirt cheap. Buy one with a blown motor then pay (or DIY) to fix it - and you got a "new" car for a good price. My current family wagon is an H6, great motors. I would have taken an EJ25 maybe if it was really nice and a great price - knowing I'd replace the motor or it had great service records/ they were already replaced with Subaru gaskets, etc. I knew how to end up with what I wanted. And reliability is high on my list. I drive a lot of long distance. Last year I drove 18 hours to northern Maine and 20 hours to New Orleans.

[MilesFox]

[mikekerstetter]

One day after my last post, on the one week anniversary of buying the Accent, I hit a deer on my way home from work. $2250 bought me a new hood, hood hinges, headlight assembly, grill and bumper cover. I've been driving cars with over 100,000 miles for years and I've not hit even a large pothole with any of them. Buy myself a 2 year old car with a warranty and a week later I wreck it. But I've got it back and it looks as good as new. Getting 30 mpg on my 7 mile work commute. Loving this car so far.

[thatswhatshesaid]

$2250?! Whoa.