stephen115 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I was on my way to school and getting on the highway and the brat just quit on me. so I pulled over to the shoulder and got out and looked at the engine and there was oil everywhere, maybe a blown gasket i dont know. so we brought it back to the house via trailer and i tried to start it while my grandpa tried to find out the reason and he said that it is being shot out the carborator, so instead of the carb sucking it, its shooting it out through the carb. We think it might be the timing gears. anybody know anything about this? i really want to save this car! I love it and will never sell it! I just got done buying all the stuff for the 4 inch lift and now I have this problem, please help. SJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Pull the valve covers and check for proper valve operation. Timing gear failures are completely unheard of - very unlikely. Sounds like you have a stuck intake valve or serious ignition issues. Hard to say - you need to check stuff on your end.... "oil everywhere" and "blowing out the carb" are not descriptive enough for us to help you. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naru Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Never say never,but the ea-81 timing gear arrangement is about as robust as you can get.Trouble here is unlikely.Check by seeing if the distributor rotor still aligns w/#1 position (or 180 degrees off) w/the flywheel timing mark aligned. I`m thinking something more like a cracked piston or a head gasket leaking compression between cyl.Loose /broken valve guide. Pull and inspect the plugs.Do a compression test if you are able. Oil on the dipstick look OK? Coolant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bheinen74 Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 You've got a Turbo BRAT right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen115 Posted January 26, 2011 Author Share Posted January 26, 2011 Pull the valve covers and check for proper valve operation. Timing gear failures are completely unheard of - very unlikely. Sounds like you have a stuck intake valve or serious ignition issues. Hard to say - you need to check stuff on your end.... "oil everywhere" and "blowing out the carb" are not descriptive enough for us to help you. GD Im going to be taking off the valve covers tomorrow and we are going to look there first. but arnt i still looking at new heads and cam? SJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen115 Posted January 26, 2011 Author Share Posted January 26, 2011 You've got a Turbo BRAT right? the turbo isnt in it anymore, actually the original turbo engine isnt in there anymore, its still a 1.8L ea81. SJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen115 Posted January 26, 2011 Author Share Posted January 26, 2011 Never say never,but the ea-81 timing gear arrangement is about as robust as you can get.Trouble here is unlikely.Check by seeing if the distributor rotor still aligns w/#1 position (or 180 degrees off) w/the flywheel timing mark aligned. I`m thinking something more like a cracked piston or a head gasket leaking compression between cyl.Loose /broken valve guide. Pull and inspect the plugs.Do a compression test if you are able. Oil on the dipstick look OK? Coolant? the spark plugs? im new to these engines but I feel like im about to learn a lot about them:D oil looks good, we think the oil problem just happened at the same time because its been leaking oil since day one and I just got the oil pump gasket so I think what ever caused the engine to do what it did, blew the oil pump or gasket causing the oil problem. SJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naru Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbrat Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 if your PCV system isn't hooked up properly, and you put some hi-revving stresss on the engine, you can blow oil out the front crank seal, and it will spin it everywhere...can you get some "close-up" pics of your engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen115 Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 if your PCV system isn't hooked up properly, and you put some hi-revving stresss on the engine, you can blow oil out the front crank seal, and it will spin it everywhere...can you get some "close-up" pics of your engine. that might be the problem since I have to floor it to get on the highway. I can not tonight but tomorrow. what specific parts of the engine do you need? SJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbrat Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 that might be the problem since I have to floor it to get on the highway. I can not tonight but tomorrow. what specific parts of the engine do you need? SJ a shot from each side, showing the valve cover up to the carb, so we can see the hoses generally. and maybe a shot stright down from above the carb.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael appel Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I thought I had problems sorry dude Its probably something simple oil pump gaskets seem to be issues but with ea81 I would look toward thw pvc system to if it builds pressure you will blow oil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael appel Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 The oil pressure sensor is another suspect after reading about bad take off I learned mine was bad by it exploding on the highway on me oil everywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen115 Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 The oil pressure sensor is another suspect after reading about bad take off I learned mine was bad by it exploding on the highway on me oil everywhere So i probably need to replace the oil pump and stuff and then see if it will run? it wants to start but it cant... SJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen115 Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 here is a image that I have. its too dark outside to take pictures for now. maybe you guys can figure out whats wrong. SJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbrat Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 you've got a weber 32/36 carb on there, but I can't really see a PCV set-up. hopefully you have hoses coming out the top of your valve covers... take a look at both sides, and explain how they are connected if possible... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bheinen74 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) Hard to see, but i think the valve cover breathers wrap around and go behind most of the engine on the back side. That said, I do believe something is "hosed" in the way his hoses are hooked up. Somebody maybe messed up the install of this weber, I have seen that a many times on here who do not understand it. If that is the case, then it can be fixed, but damage may have already occurred that is not reversible. Mainly low/high oil pressure damage to whatever. Edited January 28, 2011 by bheinen74 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbrat Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 oooh. on the passenger side, there's a breather filter. what's on the drivers side? also, do you have a line of oil on the underside of your hood approximately lining up with the crank pully? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bheinen74 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 oooh. on the passenger side, there's a breather filter. what's on the drivers side? thats a problem there. it needs to be T'd in with the other side and pcv before it vents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen115 Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 oooh. on the passenger side, there's a breather filter. what's on the drivers side? also, do you have a line of oil on the underside of your hood approximately lining up with the crank pully? theres a hose going into the carb im pretty sure. there was a oil line on the hood but I cleaned it. so what do you guys think caused this or what happened, becasue it makes no sense for there to be alot of oil and it not starting. atleast to me it doesnt. what damage could have been done? and how do I find out what damage is done? SJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) Replacing the oil pump is a "too little, too late" kinda thing.... if it's ran out of so much oil that it will no longer start and run - the horse has left the barn kid. Replacing the oil pump will only result in a lighter wallet and a non-running (completely hosed) engine that has a shiny new part on it. Your PCV setup is wrong. Do a search for the proper way to hook it up and fix it. You may have blown the front main seal right out of the engine with too much crankcase pressure - partially or completely due to your lack of a proper PCV system. Verify fuel and spark. Then verify valve timing. Till you do those three things we cannot help you any further. As to what damage could have been done - if you ran it out of oil..... you'll be looking for a new engine. You should drain what oil remains in the engine and check for metal. GD Edited January 28, 2011 by GeneralDisorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbrat Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 thats a problem there. it needs to be T'd in with the other side and pcv before it vents. the breather on the pss side is okay. if the PCV valve,and the other valve cover are tied together, and vnted to the underside of the air cleaner late, it should be good... I've only seen one instance where the drive gear on the distributor failed. you still should take the distributor cap off and put a 22mm socket on a long rathet, and put it on the crank pulley bolt and turn the engine by hand. if the rotor moves, then your timing gear s fine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen115 Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 Replacing the oil pump is a "too little, too late" kinda thing.... if it's ran out of so much oil that it will no longer start and run - the horse has left the barn kid. Replacing the oil pump will only result in a lighter wallet and a non-running (completely hosed) engine that has a shiny new part on it. Your PCV setup is wrong. Do a search for the proper way to hook it up and fix it. You may have blown the front main seal right out of the engine with too much crankcase pressure - partially or completely due to your lack of a proper PCV system. Verify fuel and spark. Then verify valve timing. Till you do those three things we cannot help you any further. As to what damage could have been done - if you ran it out of oil..... you'll be looking for a new engine. You should drain what oil remains in the engine and check for metal. GD the link in the USMB repair manual for the weber install doesnt work. were else can I learn how to install it properly? SJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) *** edited: No need to live up to your old title Rick... the Brat was purchased with the carb already installed. - Mick I thought he got this thing from grandpa? Wasn't that the story? Ah hell - I can't keep track. :-p GD Edited January 30, 2011 by GeneralDisorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen115 Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 Found the Problem! The cam shaft is completly broke off were is meets the distributor. So now I hope my step dads friend can replace it. will have to pull it and basically rebuild it.... Guess the lift will have to wait for now along with everything else. Ill start a build thread if I can. SJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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