92_rugby_subie Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 i have no money GD! i got in some stupid rump roast legal trouble and now im 6000 dollars in dept to my grandparents, which im working on paying back, and a car that keeps breaking down isnt helping me when its their money going into it. i bought a 1991 Mazda Navajo (Ford Explorer knock off) and all it needs is a clutch and slave cylinder (messed those up myself) then i think im getting out of the Subaru stuff till i can find one that doesnt have a turbo. i even told my grandparents about this one kid from school who is going to sell me his perfectly good Legacy 2.2 EJ22 engine, transmission, and uncut wiring harness for 300 dollars and my grandparents told me we cant even afford that right now. Can you not sell the Navajo and your Subaru and buy a better one? Seriously, try to sell the Subaru for 300, if its in good overall condition besides the motor, you could get that for it (depending on your area) and sell the Navajo for $??? however much its worth and buy a legacy, they are CHEAP sometimes, and the EJ22 is a bulletproof motor and has 20hp more than an EA82T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodsWagon Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Go to the junkyard and grab the shortblock out of a carbed EA82 because it's lower compression ratio like the turbo, and unlikely to have been abused like a turbo motor. Put your heads on that block, then hook the turbo wastegate actuator directly to the output of the turbo so it can't boost above wastegate spring pressure. Then stop beating the bag out of the only car you depend on to get to work. That 6k should be your priority. I'm assuming that was lawyers fees that kept you out of jail? Consider that the price of your freedom, so dedicate your freedom to paying that off as fast as possible. Work weekends, side jobs, ect whatever you can grab. The sooner you get out of debt, the faster you can get back to abusing cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soobie_newbie67 Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) Sounds like it might be time to grow up a little. The cars are not breaking down on you. You are abusing the ************ out of them. You can't expect your grand parents to pay for your recklessness. Park both the cars. Get a cheap POS daily driver. Earn the money to fix them or buy a new one. Also: No one on this forum is going to be able to help you if you expect these old cars to put up with the ************ that you have given them. dont go saying ************ when you dont know wtf your talking about. the legal trouble i got in has nothing to do with my car. i went with some friends cause one of them got attacked and hit with a baseball bat. we went to the guys house and beat all the windows in on his car. like i said, i have only taken my car to redline twice cause i heard from someone that it beeps when you redline, and wanted to see; big deal; those 2 were the only times. i never take the car over 5 grand when actually ************ing around. plus, i work my ************ing rump roast off for my grandparents and they let me stay here. we own 6 acres of land and i keep every last square inch of manicured for them so they dont have to do it. and dont go telling me how to drive a$$hole. Edited July 22, 2011 by soobie_newbie67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 dont go saying ************ when you dont know wtf your talking about. the legal trouble i got in has nothing to do with my car. i went with some friends cause one of them got attacked and hit with a baseball bat. we went to the guys house and beat all the windows in on his car. like i said, i have only taking my car to redline twice cause i heard from someone that it beeps when you redline, and wanted to see; big deal; those 2 were the only times. i never take the car over 5 grand when actually ************ing around. plus, i work my ************ing rump roast off for my grandparents and they let me stay here. we own 6 acres of land and i keep every last square inch of manicured for them so they dont have to do it. and dont go telling me how to drive a$$hole. One day you will look back on this, laugh at the irony and cringe with embarressment. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soobie_newbie67 Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 Well' date=' how do I follow up on some very good advice youve been given? Ive read this before but as I recall heres how it goes, " to become old and wise first we need to overcome being young and dumb" and im not saying you are, its not my "saying"...the point is if your hopelessly broke, 1 car and relying on others to keep you going possibly babying that vehicle would be the smartest plan. And yes I was young once:grin: and more than once I recall thinking " If only I had listened to".....[/quote'] yeah, im going through a lot of first timer stuff so im still learning on the "being yound and stupid" part. yeah, im making this a bigger deal here then i need too, and do need to stop relying so much on people i dont know. and yes, i tell myself all the time "i wish i had listened to GD" xD You've got to take the initiative - if you don't have money then you will have to trade your time, labor, etc to either get some money or barter for parts. The barter system is not dead and you have this forum, craigslist, etc.... you live in a Subaru rich state.... Someone has a derelict Legacy that you can "earn" somehow - you just have to want it badly enough and shout about it loud enough. I have got at least half a dozen cars over the years for dirt cheap - including a 78 wagon for $1, a '92 Legacy for free, '91 Legacy for $200, and an '86 D/R sedan for $100...... ALL of which I DROVE HOME. Why? Mostly because I'm loud, memorable, and people know I like Subaru's and will "rehome" them like lost puppies. Post in the wanted section - make a craigslist posting - make flyers with crayons.... someone has what you want and needs yard work. I've been where you are - barely able to afford the gas to get to work. Somehow I managed to get the parts to get things done. GD well, i will have to wait a while. the navajo is an easy fix, its in perfect condition and everything works; low mile ect. i do forget that there are actually people out there that arnt total basterds that want to rip me a new one, and that kinda makes it hard for me cause there are too many of those kind of people. i agree with GD 100 percent you sound like you need to just grab life by the horns do what needs to be done to get were you want to be. if you let people tell you you can't do something long enough you will start to believe it, anything is possible with the will do do so. agreed And I can tell you as a young guy myself... Ive been in your shoes. I got lucky, and you might too, find a Subaru master in your area that needs help in exchange for some parts, or their shop to work on stuff, or even a car. GD gave me that oppurtunity and I can say that I knew maintenance on a car, now I could swap a motor, I cleaned up his parts shed and helped him swap motors and stuff, he worked with me to get my DL on the road but then offered me Ned a lot cheaper than I would find it on craigslist. The best part of this is I know that nothing is wrong with Ned that was "pre-existing" that I started driving and BAM need something new because GD bought him and repaired him so he could be driven, and that car is doing great! Needs a few things here and there, but thats wear and tear on a vehicle, no big deal. Some Subarus can handle abuse, depending on their history... If you put a motor in a car and you seal everything correctly, bolt it to torque specs, it can handle so much. I have put extreme use on Ned, including hard starts, quick shifts and hard braking, and I havent blown a seal... well, i think i might have done something wrong when i rebuilt the engine. sounds like a rod bearing, probably is. maybe missed properly torquing a rod cap in the all that mess flipping the block around to get each bolt. i think the seal was my fault, put it in wrong; pushed it all the way as far back as it could go and cut off the flow back there. Can you not sell the Navajo and your Subaru and buy a better one? Seriously, try to sell the Subaru for 300, if its in good overall condition besides the motor, you could get that for it (depending on your area) and sell the Navajo for $??? however much its worth and buy a legacy, they are CHEAP sometimes, and the EJ22 is a bulletproof motor and has 20hp more than an EA82T well, the navajo isnt getting sold anyway. my grandparents bought it as a second car for me, and said they were gonna keep it anyway if i didnt want it. i definitely want it now. Go to the junkyard and grab the shortblock out of a carbed EA82 because it's lower compression ratio like the turbo, and unlikely to have been abused like a turbo motor. Put your heads on that block, then hook the turbo wastegate actuator directly to the output of the turbo so it can't boost above wastegate spring pressure. Then stop beating the bag out of the only car you depend on to get to work. That 6k should be your priority. I'm assuming that was lawyers fees that kept you out of jail? Consider that the price of your freedom, so dedicate your freedom to paying that off as fast as possible. Work weekends, side jobs, ect whatever you can grab. The sooner you get out of debt, the faster you can get back to abusing cars. ok, i made a mistake not making it clear that i wasnt in trouble because of the car. it was something else, which i have posted now cause im a dumba$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soobie_newbie67 Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) One day you will look back on this, laugh at the irony and cringe with embarressment. Cheers embarrassment? im not the one who went and tried to flame someone when they didnt know what they were talking about. well, now that thats over. i just wanna close by saying we have the engine out. we didnt have the right bolts to put the engine on my engine stand right now, so that will get done tomorrow, and we'll pull the pan and check out the guts. now i just wanna make clear that im not bashing Subaru or trying to piss anyone off when i said im gonna get out of the Subaru stuff. i still love Subaru and always will, its just that even though im a kid, i out of shape, overweight, and went through a heat stroke 2 years ago and just cant take ************ like i used too. i allow myself to get pissed off at stuff to easily when its not necessary, and flip out over little things. i have issues; who doesnt? Edited July 22, 2011 by soobie_newbie67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Hey. I think I understand why you are so pissed at me. My comment about your grandparents paying for your recklessness was refering to your cars. Not you legal fees. My point was that you can not afford to push your dd like you have. You now have two cars that don't work and no money to fix them. My intention (all be it a little crude) was not to flame but to point out the reality. Dirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soobie_newbie67 Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) Hey. I think I understand why you are so pissed at me. My comment about your grandparents paying for your recklessness was refering to your cars. Not you legal fees. My point was that you can not afford to push your dd like you have. You now have two cars that don't work and no money to fix them. My intention (all be it a little crude) was not to flame but to point out the reality. Dirk ok well next time do it a little better in a way i can more easily understand, and dont go cuss words a'blazin, K? oh, and FYI, the only reason my grandparents helped me in the first place is cause they do love me (something most people work themselves out of with there grandparents) and didnt want to see me go to jail or get landed with a felony. they own 45 rental properties and was about to turn out like one of those dumb rump roast tenets, and they didnt want to see that. i learned my lesson and have been having to work my rump roast off every day since the ordeal to pay them back. sorry i flamed back. i flip when people give me ************, i've had tough rump roast life. (ha, who hasnt?) Edited July 22, 2011 by soobie_newbie67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92_rugby_subie Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 embarrassment? im not the one who went and tried to flame someone when they didnt know what they were talking about. well, now that thats over. i just wanna close by saying we have the engine out. we didnt have the right bolts to put the engine on my engine stand right now, so that will get done tomorrow, and we'll pull the pan and check out the guts. now i just wanna make clear that im not bashing Subaru or trying to piss anyone off when i said im gonna get out of the Subaru stuff. i still love Subaru and always will, its just that even though im a kid, i out of shape, overweight, and went through a heat stroke 2 years ago and just cant take ************ like i used too. i allow myself to get pissed off at stuff to easily when its not necessary, and flip out over little things. i have issues; who doesnt? The last part is pretty mature... I think you coulda slipped an apology in there but its still better than going off the handle... If this motor is shot, consider selling it and getting a different one... No turbo. Go for a GL or a DL or even a Loyale, just avoid anything that says "Turbo" right now, If you can stomach it, a 85 or 86 (maybe 87) GL that has a Carburetor on it... Put a Weber on (if you can register outside of emissions) the blocks have lower compression than an SPFI motor and they are really REALLY simple engine bays... I can post a picture of my GL and show you... It takes some warming up in the morning, but my GL runs WAYYY better than my Loyale did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 ok well next time do it a little better in a way i can more easily understand, and dont go cuss words a'blazin, K? Sweet. BTW Kudos for having the motor out already. Here's hoping its not as terminal as it sounds Cuss words? I'm a builder man. Every third word has four letters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92_rugby_subie Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Sweet. BTW Kudos for having the motor out already. Here's hoping its not as terminal as it sounds Cuss words? I'm a builder man. Every third word has four letters. Dude you two are awesome at making up I am too... I cuss like a sailor... But the 8 year olds playing Call of Duty do it more than me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soobie_newbie67 Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 Sweet. BTW Kudos for having the motor out already. Here's hoping its not as terminal as it sounds Cuss words? I'm a builder man. Every third word has four letters. well, thanks for accepting the apology. my buddy and i had the engine out in 1 hour 4 minutes flat. we timed it. Dude you two are awesome at making up I am too... I cuss like a sailor... But the 8 year olds playing Call of Duty do it more than me trust me, i know what thats like. i have a PS3 and those little kids can actually make ME cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92_rugby_subie Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 well, thanks for accepting the apology. my buddy and i had the engine out in 1 hour 4 minutes flat. we timed it. trust me, i know what thats like. i have a PS3 and those little kids can actually make ME cry. Yea I think my EA82 will take about 30 mins to pull, maybe 45 with draining fluids... it looks SOOO simple. Yea, I preordered MW3 and Im expecting to wait inline with like 100 kids 15 or younger that will have their mommies and daddies come get the game when it comes out at midnight... Which sucks... my first M game was driv3r when I turned 17...ya know, the actual age you have to be to play those games... Back to the issue at hand though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soobie_newbie67 Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 The last part is pretty mature... I think you coulda slipped an apology in there but its still better than going off the handle... If this motor is shot, consider selling it and getting a different one... No turbo. Go for a GL or a DL or even a Loyale, just avoid anything that says "Turbo" right now, If you can stomach it, a 85 or 86 (maybe 87) GL that has a Carburetor on it... Put a Weber on (if you can register outside of emissions) the blocks have lower compression than an SPFI motor and they are really REALLY simple engine bays... I can post a picture of my GL and show you... It takes some warming up in the morning, but my GL runs WAYYY better than my Loyale did. dude, i was just thinking about this today. the whole thing that got me started on Subaru's was my 1987 Subaru GL. it has the 1.8 liter hitachi carburated engine with a dual range 5 speed. damn i wish i had never sold that car. also, i think we should get back on track, this is starting to look like a chat room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tundrabrat Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) Hmmm... apparently the first thing I should have said was "DON'T RUN/DRIVE THE CAR unitl you have checked what the metalic sound is." I shouldn't have assumed that you knew this. If something comes loose in the bell housing it could damage the rear of the engine or transmission ruining one or both. If your rod bearing went it sent metal through out the engine, heads, oil pump and pan. You now have to spend a money to replace or have the parts professionally cleaned. Edited July 22, 2011 by tundrabrat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodsWagon Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Go to the junkyard and grab the shortblock out of a carbed EA82 because it's lower compression ratio like the turbo block, and unlikely to have been abused like a turbo motor. Put your heads on that block, then hook the turbo wastegate actuator directly to the output of the turbo so it can't boost above wastegate spring pressure. Just so you didn't miss this in your angry reading; it's the fastest way to get the car back in good running condition. Since you already have the motor out, go pull a carbed shortblock, not a single point fuel injected, they're 9.5:1 compression and won't work with a turbo. Chuck in the carbed shorblock, put your heads on it, and you should have the car going by the end of the weekend. You'll notice that I didn't say there's anything bad about abusing cars, it's a lot of fun actually. But you can't do it to the only car you depend on to get to work when your already in debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soobie_newbie67 Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) Hmmm... apparently the first thing I should have said was "DON'T RUN/DRIVE THE CAR unitl you have checked what the metalic sound is." I shouldn't have assumed that you knew this. If something comes loose in the bell housing it could damage the rear of the engine or transmission ruining one or both. If your rod bearing went it sent metal through out the engine, heads, oil pump and pan. You now have to spend a money to replace or have the parts professionally cleaned. oh, like a idiot, i forgot about you. yeah, we didnt find anything up in the bell housing, so that was all good. the clanking sound at first didnt sound bad at all (not like it does now) the sound in the video was before the fit hit the shan and something definitely went wrong. ok, but also the sound in the video pretty much went away while driving. i didnt get that part. Just so you didn't miss this in your angry reading; it's the fastest way to get the car back in good running condition. Since you already have the motor out, go pull a carbed shortblock, not a single point fuel injected, they're 9.5:1 compression and won't work with a turbo. Chuck in the carbed shorblock, put your heads on it, and you should have the car going by the end of the weekend. You'll notice that I didn't say there's anything bad about abusing cars, it's a lot of fun actually. But you can't do it to the only car you depend on to get to work when your already in debt. yeah, sorry about that. i did read it but missed that part. yes, this could definitely work, but if there's any damage to the crank i'll use my other crank. i have a whole nother engine (the one that was in the car when i bought it) but it has a crack in the number 3 cylinder wall. also, its not exactly my only car. my family has 8 daily drivers on the insurence; its just that the Subaru is technically and legally my car. i bought, all my own money is into it, and all my own work is into it. adding to this post: pulled the engine, took off the oil pan, and found excessive play on number 4 connecting rod. replacing all bearings; again. Edited July 23, 2011 by soobie_newbie67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soobie_newbie67 Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 well, here's what i found out. the number 4 con. rod bearing went and also we measured the journal and it was out of round. i have anther crank that we will be putting in there. we also took a look at the other con. rod bearings and mains and they have damage from lack of oil. here's how: when i rebuilt the engine i hot tanked all the parts to clean them. i took out the oil pressure relief valves on the cam carriers and was unaware of the situation for the first 350 miles of break in. i was also running only 6 psi of oil pressure when fully heated up, and about 18 psi when first started while cold. ( i got my PSI numbers by hooking up a oil pressure gauge) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Ah there is life in the old girl yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soobie_newbie67 Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 Ah there is life in the old girl yet! no kidding. we got it all together and running last night. she runs way better then she ever did before. used that other crank from the other engine like i said we were going too. we got an aftermarket oil pressure gauge hooked up and installed so i can keep an eye on the oil pressure. yeah, im not getting rid of her now. hahaha. yeah. SUBARU FOREVER <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92_rugby_subie Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Glad to hear that shes up and running Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodsWagon Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Did you use the other rods too? Or did you put new bearings in the #4 rod? Usually a pounding bearing like that will oval out the rod cap too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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