saritastar Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 (edited) Hello! I am a recently new owner of a 1991 Loyale wagon. She's ruby red and has lots of miles (210k) but I'm pretty smitten and didn't pay much. She does have a few issues that need to be addressed. The first is the ol' intermittent lifter noise. It's unbearably loud when it's happening and driving me bonkers. It seems to happen mostly when I don't pull far enough into the driveway, which is sloped. (My vanagon has the same issue when not parked flat.) Anyhow, after much reading on this very informative site, I have decided to go the seafoam route and then do rislone after that. The only thing is that I just changed the oil about 200 miles ago. I don't really want to waste it by doing the seafoam right away, so I was going to add the rislone until I get closer to an oil change (it's got an oil leak, so I have room to ad it). Can the rislone and seafoam be mixed when I do finally use the seafoam? I don't want to mess anything up. I hope I'm not asking something that is already covered, but I looked and looked and didn't find an answer. Thanks for taking the time to read! eta: Ultimately, I will be replacing the oil pump seals, etc. but I also need to redo the axels and valve cover gaskets and I neeeed that lifter to quiet up until I get to it. Edited August 14, 2011 by saritastar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The FNG Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 My $.02 is this: If you really can't stand the noise, just replace the oil pump seals. This is literally a 30 minute job (I think). If the old engine runs, let it run and directly address the problem the first time, especially on these EA82's. If you use seafoam, you are potentially opening up a large can of worms and f-bombs. This is because of the build-up they have accumulated over the years. As tolerances increase due to normal wear and tear, they get replaced by gunk and carbon build-up that keep them running. Get rid of that and you have tolerances that begin to increase beyond what the engine can support and you begin to develop issues that can only be reasonably fixed by an engine replacement (or an EJ22 upgrade:banana:). I would do a little research on TOD or tick of death and how to get that resolved before I would consider the route you are trying to take. So back to my opinion, waste the oil, replace the oil pump gaskets and o-rings, and see if that fixes it. other options may be available, but I believe this to be the general solution. If you are really against wasting $15 of oil, wait until 3k miles is up and then do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saritastar Posted August 14, 2011 Author Share Posted August 14, 2011 My $.02 is this: If you really can't stand the noise, just replace the oil pump seals. This is literally a 30 minute job (I think). If the old engine runs, let it run and directly address the problem the first time, especially on these EA82's. If you use seafoam, you are potentially opening up a large can of worms and f-bombs. This is because of the build-up they have accumulated over the years. As tolerances increase due to normal wear and tear, they get replaced by gunk and carbon build-up that keep them running. Get rid of that and you have tolerances that begin to increase beyond what the engine can support and you begin to develop issues that can only be reasonably fixed by an engine replacement (or an EJ22 upgrade:banana:). I would do a little research on TOD or tick of death and how to get that resolved before I would consider the route you are trying to take. So back to my opinion, waste the oil, replace the oil pump gaskets and o-rings, and see if that fixes it. other options may be available, but I believe this to be the general solution. If you are really against wasting $15 of oil, wait until 3k miles is up and then do it. Knowing that I have to redo the timing belt to do the oil pump seals made it seem like a bigger deal than 30 min. ? I did just look at the haynes though and it does look straightforward. And I also read that coolant can degrade a timing belt and it got hosed when the upper hose blew (it didn't overheat-I caught in before it did). Gah. I'm not really big into adding performance stuff to an engine, but I have never heard such a loud lifter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The FNG Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 (edited) If you need to do timing belts and what not, I think it would be best to do everything at once. Since I assume you still have the covers on the belts, I think the only way you can do the job is to remove the radiator. If you are in it that deep, you may as well do it all. As for the lifters, I have read that they get jammed up and may need to get replaced. I am not really sure about that though. And yes, the first time you do all this, it will take longer, a lot longer, probably all day. But it is worth doing it and if you need an idea of what to do, look up the art of subaru maintenance on youtube videos 5-8 i think. Edited August 14, 2011 by The FNG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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