bheinen74 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) Have this style spare tensioner and want to use this style and would like to replace a bad one this style, on a ej25 dohc This is going in the trash. What bracket needs swapped? Any picture of what the bracket is so i can dig in my parts bin thanks Edited September 29, 2011 by bheinen74 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 it's just the metal thing that the bolts screw into. if you look just above the horizontal tensioner there are two bolts - it's the thing those two bolts screw into. it just bolts to the block and comes off, then you install the other bracket behind the other tensioner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 you can probably find it on subaru's opposed forces website on the exploded engine diagrams. google came up with: http://www.flat4online.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?pName=gobstopper-rcm-tensioner-bracket-for-timing-belt-kit-rcm892-subaru-impreza-92-96-uk-turbo-sti-wrx-type-ra&cName=impreza-v1-v2-92-96-gobstopper-parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarl Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Any particular reason for wanting the new tensioner? The timing kit is somewhat more expensive than the older style, and as far as I know it's not a huge improvement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bheinen74 Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 the new style one causes the belt to slap around on the timing belt cover at times.... so need to go to proven old which in my opinion the old style is the better style, and yes cheaper and easier to source for me in the yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 the new style one causes the belt to slap around on the timing belt cover at times.... so need to go to proven old which in my opinion the old style is the better style, and yes cheaper and easier to source for me in the yards. the way you worded the post most of us thought you meant you were going to the other way - replacing the old style with new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1982gl4 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) I'm pretty sure this is what you are looking for, these are for the new style, but same idea, just different bolt locations. I had to swap out the one on the right for the one on the left when I went to 2.2 heads (the ones for DOHC have a tab for the timing covers) You can see two of the mounting bolts in your pic near the top. Edited September 30, 2011 by 1982gl4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bheinen74 Posted September 30, 2011 Author Share Posted September 30, 2011 I've been looking for the bracket, but think i might have left it attached to the block halves i sold last spring. But if that bracket from a ej22 sohc is not going to work on a ej25 dohc, then I will just have to scrap this whole idea.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 I wouldn't worry about that one bolt hole not being there on the SOHC bracket. The covers have plenty of other bolts holding them on, and if you really need it a piece metal could be fabbed up pretty easily I would think. Some of that metal plumbers tape could be bent around to work. And it's either galvanized or zinc coated (don;t recall exactly) so it would not rust... right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnW Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 The tensioner statement you made isn't entirely true. Initially Subaru and many of its technicians thought there was something wrong with that tensioner but its actually the bracket itself. There is a service bulletin for the noise. The biggest failure I see in those is people compressing them in a vise. These need to be compressed in the orientation that they are installed on the car. This can bend the center pin and make the hydraulic unit oil leak, which also causes a slapping noise. Its best to compress them very very slowly with a prybar while on the engine using the old timing belt as a cushion. In fact the old style can be messed up in a vise as well but by compressing them too fast in this ones case. 5 minutes should be spent compressing one. Any less and you can blow the seal just like the newer kind. Turn, walk away, turn, walk away, etc over a 5 min span and you will be fine. Use whatever one you have that has a new bearing and don't sweat it. They are both good designs that last 105K miles without incident when installed properly. If you have the bracket for the DOHC and need one for a SOHC just cut that extra ear off. And on the DOHC if you are missing the ear, its still usually just fine too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bheinen74 Posted September 30, 2011 Author Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) Hey, Shawn, can you fill me in or link to the service bulletin... Just doing this to try to quiet a cold start belt slapping the timing cover on my brothers 99 dohc outback that has less then 1.2 years on new t belt kit except for the tensioner. which was compressed correctly.thnx may just replace the tensioner anyhow, but will see...they are quite pricey Edited September 30, 2011 by bheinen74 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Are you sure it's the belt slapping the cover and not piston slap or dry valve train noise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bheinen74 Posted October 1, 2011 Author Share Posted October 1, 2011 (edited) this has been successfully swapped tonight. Yeah has a metal to metal visible wear mark on the tensioner that we removed from my brothers outback. Went to 1991 style tensioner and the bracket from a 91 Legacy. Good to go now. this whole problem was diagnosed and accessed a while back, by taking off the driver outer belt cover, you could grab the belt and wiggle up and down to duplicate the noise, and so when i looked up the issue, found it is rather common, and it was not a huge rush to fix; the belts and rollers and HG's were replaced in Sep 2010, all but the tensioner..... So before heading into the cold months and working in a non heated garage, the mission was accomplished on this. Lots more miles left on that Outback now. It has never had piston slap or oil or overheat issues... Edited October 1, 2011 by bheinen74 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 (edited) Are you sure it's the belt slapping the cover and not piston slap or dry valve train noise?the new style tensioners fail more often than the old, it's fairly common relatively speaking. you could grab the belt and wiggle up and down to duplicate the noise, and so when i looked up the issue, found it is rather common, and it was not a huge rush to fix; i pull the drivers side cover and crank the car - to see the tensioner bouncing/flopping around. never thought it would actually be weak enough to just yank on it! not a huge rush? you heard that from others or...? there's no worries about the belt slipping timing? i've always wondered how long or when something bad would happen. Edited October 1, 2011 by grossgary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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