jdemaris Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Just got a letter in the mail today from Subaru. They are recalling 2002-2007 Imprezas and 2003-2008 for rust damage and front lower control arms that might break off. Got me wondering - this is supposed to be something new? I've junked over 20 Subarus due to suspension parts falling off due to rust. Now I guess I have to check my "newest" 2002 Impreza Outback. This was an old mans car and not driven much in the winter. Even so, half the exhaust system was full of rust holes. The oil pan on the 2.5 engine also rusted out. Kind of makes wonder how much cost-cutting has been done. I've got a 95 Impreza with near 300K miles on it and it's be on the road every day of every salty winter and summer. Yeah - they salt some of our roads in the summer too. I've had to change rear wheel bearings twice, but the rest has been fine. The 1995 still has all the original exhaust and never had the engine oil pan rot out yet. In fact, I've got some 80s Loyales that had back wheels fall off but the oil pans never leaked and wheel bearings never went bad. Nor did the head gaskets in the 1.8s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Just got a letter in the mail today from Subaru. They are recalling 2002-2007 Imprezas and 2003-2008 for rust damage and front lower control arms that might break off. Got me wondering - this is supposed to be something new? I've junked over 20 Subarus due to suspension parts falling off due to rust. Now I guess I have to check my "newest" 2002 Impreza Outback. This was an old mans car and not driven much in the winter. Even so, half the exhaust system was full of rust holes. The oil pan on the 2.5 engine also rusted out. Kind of makes wonder how much cost-cutting has been done. I've got a 95 Impreza with near 300K miles on it and it's be on the road every day of every salty winter and summer. Yeah - they salt some of our roads in the summer too. I've had to change rear wheel bearings twice, but the rest has been fine. The 1995 still has all the original exhaust and never had the engine oil pan rot out yet. In fact, I've got some 80s Loyales that had back wheels fall off but the oil pans never leaked and wheel bearings never went bad. Nor did the head gaskets in the 1.8s. Did they have something similar to this before? (rear suspension parts on Foresters, or maybe some anti-sway bars or ???) And, are south, southwestern States excluded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdemaris Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 Did they have something similar to this before? (rear suspension parts on Foresters, or maybe some anti-sway bars or ???) And, are south, southwestern States excluded? It's a 21 state recall. CT, DE, DC, ILL, IND, Iowa, Maine, MD, MASS, MI, Minnesota, Missouri, NH, NJ,NY OH, PA, RI, VT, WV, and Wisconsin. Obviously - I don't know all the proper abbreviations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcupine73 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 There were similar recalls in the past. My '96 Legacy I think it was had one for the rear crossmember. It is rusting out very badly. Plus there was a bulletin on the front springs for corrosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bheinen74 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I have read the recall notice. Basically, the dealer will inspect the front control arms, and do one of 2 things under recall warranty: 1. Replace badly rusted parts 2. Coat the rust-prone parts in paint to prevent further rusting. If someone is mechanically inclined and can get some por-15, rust bullet, rustoleum, ec, it can be done a home for the price of spray can, if you do not have rusted parts already. If you have really rusted parts, go get some new ones for free. It is becoming quite obvious the grade of metals has been cheapened at some point in the manufacturing process for several eras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcupine73 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Salt water is just terrible on metal for corrosion. I mean except stainless, which even then can still rust, and cast iron, which does rust but seems more resistant to rusting completely through, it would be the corrosion protection applied to the metal during manufacture that would be most important. They are possibly cheaping out on that, or trying to use more 'environmentally friendly' applications that simply don't work as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hohieu Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I feel like you do get a lot of car for the money, but I guess Subaru has to make up that difference somewhere: thin sheet metal body panels and the already mentioned chassis components. My oil pan is starting to rust around the dipstick tube. I'll spray some paint over it before they start salting the roads because it's not the easiest thing to replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bheinen74 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Its not salt anymore, it's MAG chloride, 50times worse. The stuff is killing bridges fast, power poles, anything next to the roads.....I wish they would just use rock salt/sand mix, but no, they have to use newest chemicals, which also, BTW, make the air quality suffer too. Time to take back what this country once was. sorry for my rant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcupine73 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I wouldn't necessarily blame Subaru for using thin sheet metal. Much of that is driven by our friendly government's and consumer demand for increased fuel economy. Also with modern computer based engineering tools with finite element analysis and so on it is relatively easy to design parts to meet the requirements using the minimal amount of material possible. Where as in years past you just made the body panels out of 1/4" plate and called it a day. haha ok maybe it wasn't that thick, except maybe on those big 'ol bumpers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdemaris Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 Its not salt anymore, it's MAG chloride, Magnesium Chloride IS a salt, just as is Calcium Chloride, Sodium Chloride, etc. What type used depends on what towns, counties, and states decide to buy. Here in my part of New York State, the main choice it salt mined from under the great lakes (mostly under Lake Ontario). In northern Michigan where I own some rural properites, salt trucks spead brine all summer long on dirt roads. I have no idea what that stuff is, or where they get it. Regardless it's all very desrtuctive to cars, trees, ground water, etc. Funny that a few years ago I bought a 1992 Dodge truck from northern Maine. It came from an area that only uses sand. It is almost rust free. If that truck was from my area of NY, there would be nothing left of it includng the frame. With Subarus - all my Loyales and Justys rusted something awful. But the 1995 Impreza is the most rust-resistant Subaru I've even had. Not so with this 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1982gl4 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 We've had quite a few come into the shop that would have needed the recall long before it came out... A couple of wrx we work on were towed in because the control arms snapped in two. Another we went to back it out of the shop and the front tire did something funny, we put it up on the lift and noticed it had broken right off. Makes me glad that I don't drive my 02 WRX in the salt. The 92 legacy gets winter duty. The newer ones seem to be rusting far worse over the 90's stuff I drive.... This is were they rot off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john40iowa Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 My Forester's look little rusty (think dust) but nothing close to the photo here. How bad is it when the break? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcupine73 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 ^^^ wow that looks pretty bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1982gl4 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) I just got that pic off from google as an example of where they rust. When they break, they snap in two pieces, usually with rusty bits hanging down,tearing metal, with sharp edges everywhere. It's good stuff I've also seen them rust in the larger section of the control arms but usually pinholes start to form in that section from dirt/debris sitting in there. Here's an example of a broken one I found on google as well. Edited November 24, 2011 by 1982gl4 Added pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john40iowa Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 What is the ballpark on replacement if they're not under recall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1982gl4 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I think around $230 or so, they come with a ball joint (that's our shops cost) it's over $300 a side to replace, and that front U subframe the newer ones have rot out at the same time so that is another $330+ at the same time because it has to come off to change them. Those are just prices from memory, I haven't worked at the shop now for a few months due to being back in school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john40iowa Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I think around $230 or so, they come with a ball joint (that's our shops cost) it's over $300 a side to replace, and that front U subframe the newer ones have rot out at the same time so that is another $330+ at the same time because it has to come off to change them. Those are just prices from memory, I haven't worked at the shop now for a few months due to being back in school. That doesn't sound so bad for car that paid for. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bheinen74 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I have seen the lower control arms on ebay new OEM for 65 bucks. The west coast has plenty of rust free ones, but they tend to "taco" bend and it is a crap shoot to buy used without a picture. A picture will show it bent or not when you are used to dealing with bent ones. Rust free used stuff is better than new price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1982gl4 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Rust free used stuff is better than new price I agree 100%. Those prices are from the dealer, we have gotten some cheeper ones, but it's hard to find much good around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rverdoold Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Is there a website where I can find recalls and to which location are they valid. Are they global. The only recall I know is the front tow hook location of the impreza can set of the airbags. I don't have those so still have the hooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Is there a website where I can find recalls and to which location are they valid. Are they global. The only recall I know is the front tow hook location of the impreza can set of the airbags. I don't have those so still have the hooks. dunno about outside the US, but you could look around cars101.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bheinen74 Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 recalls are easy to find go to the following nhtsa link, and submit your type, make, model, year. http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/recallsearch.cfm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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