Boneyard Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I made a rookie mistake and didn't check the oil (didn't see any leaks or lights), and I was five miles short of my destination this weekend when my check engine light came on, engine lost power, started rattling, and the oil light started flashing. I was in the left lane on I-5 and no one would let me over, so I probably went a mile before I could pull over. I am pretty sure I threw a rod, so my questions are: about how much will this cost if I just have to replace the rod(s)? If I have to replace the engine? What are the odds of having to replace the engine? How long does a repair like this usually take? Finally, how big of an a$$ am I for not checking the stupid oil? (Answer: HUGE). Thanks Car: 2003 Baja, 78k, just made first payment (ouch) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Are you inside of the 60 day warranty? (assuming you bought it from a dealer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcap Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 If you 'threw a rod', you don't just replace the rod. You rebuild the engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boneyard Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 I am pretty sure it was as is. I would have to check my paperwork, but I don't recall any warranty. That being said, I may actually just fall outside of it. I believe I bought it on september 22, which would put me a few days past it. So I am probably on my own here regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyeights Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Perhaps search http://www.car-part.com for a low mileage used engine or try one of the JDM engine sellers in the area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bstone Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 You may have thrown a rod but you won't know until you can drop the oil pan to take a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Actually if you can get it restarted you will know if you threw a rod rather quickly. There is no other sound like it. Are you sure you didnt snap a timing belt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Another question: is your car an automatic and how was it towed ? Hopefully, it was towed on a flatbed tow truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john40iowa Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 [QUTE=Boneyard;1060470]I made a rookie mistake and didn't check the oil (didn't see any leaks or lights), and I was five miles short of my destination this weekend when my check engine light came on, engine lost power, started rattling, and the oil light started flashing. I was in the left lane on I-5 and no one would let me over, so I probably went a mile before I could pull over. I am pretty sure I threw a rod, so my questions are: about how much will this cost if I just have to replace the rod(s)? If I have to replace the engine? What are the odds of having to replace the engine? How long does a repair like this usually take? Finally, how big of an a$$ am I for not checking the stupid oil? (Answer: HUGE). Thanks Car: 2003 Baja, 78k, just made first payment (ouch) Sounds like the engine is toast, sorry to say. Subarus don't usually use oil and I bet something was wrong. It might be worth try to plead the case with your dealer. A rebuilt engine may be your best bet, 3K or so for a solid unit, depending on where you go of course. After you or your mechanic get the engine one day should easily cover an install. Your bank might also help u with additional money on top of your loan. Been there myself good luck to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boneyard Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 I just watched a video of an ' almost' thrown rod, and that was more of the sound I heard, so if that is the case, is it possible that the engine is still ok, and they will just have to rebuild the cylinders? Assuming of course the parts didn't jank it up too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john40iowa Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I just watched a video of an ' almost' thrown rod, and that was more of the sound I heard, so if that is the case, is it possible that the engine is still ok, and they will just have to rebuild the cylinders? Assuming of course the parts didn't jank it up too much. I went down that road with mine and it was four thousand dollars; Looking back it would have been faster and with less headaches to do the swap, and also, would have been a little less expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boneyard Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oVoYjm3FrU&feature=youtube_gdata_player This is similar to the sound I heard. So if it actually did real damage, I an better off trading my lower milage rebuilt for a higher milage one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92_rugby_subie Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Depends on the rebuilt motor. If it was torn COMPLETELY apart and everything was replaced. If someone used synthetic oil and had regular oil changes and used the right seals/gaskets etc... an engine like this would be ideal and would be 200% better than your current motor, even if it has 150k and yours has 78k. Maintenance records are your friend when looking for another motor... But I think in all reality... you need a motor. A sound like that, that kills the motor while youre driving is really not something you want to take shortcuts with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Ye old PCV valve can cause oil consumption. Maybe the dealer will go 50/50 with you, Don't admit you didnt check the oil levle just that he sold you a lemon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propane Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Perhaps search http://www.car-part.com for a low mileage used engine or try one of the JDM engine sellers in the area. was waiting to hear that it was a rod, which is a short block at least. Crazy eights has it right for sourcing of used engines. Further add that since its Seattle, close port, whole bunch of JDM suppliers and installers are avail as per Craigs List your area. Doesn't sound like you are set up to R&R an eng Someone can correct me if I am not understanding JDM and compatibilty w/ Baja . Usual consumer rules apply to finding rep shop via references ,cost comparisions, looks fairly inexpensive that route. Good luck, do the homework before investing in parts , labor, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal_look_zero Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I'm sitting here scratching my head at these 3 and 4 thousand dollar claims... If you threw a rod, drop in a good shortblock under your heads. You're in Seattle, right? Go to NWIC on NASIOC and put up an ad for an EJ25 shortblock. I'm picking one up for $100 that needs rings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boneyard Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 The car is in vancouv er wa right now, not seattle. I left it at a shop last night, I won't get the skinny until tomorrow (maybe), but it is sounding grim. I am not a mechanic enough to do a rebuild, nor do I have the facilities, here or in seattle. I am afraid I just have to educate myself and then leave this up to the pros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboobaroo Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Subarus use oil and whoever gave you the claim they didn't, is lying. I work on these for a living. I just recently did a rebuilt shortblock in a 2003 Forester that the same thing happened. 3 years ago this customer ran it out of oil and the shop I work for put a low mileage engine in it with new headgaskets and all the other needed work. Then just last month he went 2500 miles over his oil change and the #1 rod bearing started knocking. Cost $4500 for a rebuilt shortblock with labor. Don't forget to check your oil and do regular 3k mile oil changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 This is the problem with long engine oil change intervals. SUbaru (and actually most) say 1qt in 3000 miles is ok. Not all engines use this much, some use a bit more. With a 7500 mile oil change, some people never open thier hoods. Going 2500 over it is most likely he had no oil volume of any substance left. Modern engines use oil. They spray the back of the piston skirts and the underneath of the pistons with oil to help cool them down. Depending upon fuel driving habits and moon phase some use more some use less. This is why you really need to pop your hood every other tank of gas and check your oil levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bheinen74 Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 I was at a auction inspecting a Baja that I might have put some bids on, until i popped the hood, pulled out the oil dipstick, hardly any oil was registering, and what was there was black. Then i looked at the oil change sticker on the corner of the windshield, said oil change due at miles 113k. Looked at odo, it showed 118k. So they drove it 5k past the oil change.....and ran it low on oil too. I walked away from the car. Besides the body work needed, it would be needing a new 2500 $ engine shortly. It is not hard to find good ones out there, with good maintenance records. If no records are there, run, fastly. But, on this one, a simple check of the oil at a gas fillup would have been very wise for the bank account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Subarus are a pain to read, but with practice you can learn to read it on a hot engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boneyard Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 Fair enough, but I hadn't made it to the recommended interval before it blew. I had every intention of getting in at that time and changing it. If I had suspected for a minute it was losing oil, I would've been all over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 You can brun up to 1qt every 100 miles or more, epseically with a clogged pcv valve. It is really easy to burn up 2 qts of oil before the interval (which is too long anyway) if that is what that engine is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92_rugby_subie Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 One of the best Subaru specialists in that area (Vancouver/Portland) is GeneralDisorder out in West Linn... Might be worth PMing him and asking him what he can do for ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bstone Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 Modern engines use oil. They spray the back of the piston skirts and the underneath of the pistons with oil to help cool them down. Depending upon fuel driving habits and moon phase some use more some use less. This is why you really need to pop your hood every other tank of gas and check your oil levels. What?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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