Timberwolf530 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 (edited) On low speed right turns, I'm getting a clicking noise out of the left front end. My intuition (and 30 years fixing my own cars) tells me it sounds like a bad CV joint. I just noticed it this morning pulling into the parking garage, so I haven't checked it out yet. If anyone has any other ideas, I'm open to suggestions. Anyway, if it is the CV, where is the best place to buy a replacement axle. I've heard in the past that these cars are finicky about axles, and that aftermarket brands may not be in spec causing vibrations. I would rather find someone on line rather than pay 4 times as much from the dealer. If you've done this job, please let me know your parts source. Thanks. Edited August 24, 2012 by Timberwolf530 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 MWE out of Colorado is highly respected. Rebuilding your own is promoted a lot. rebuilding junkyard axles EMPI and Raxles.com seems to have few complaints (I have an EMPI on our 03 OBW - no problems, got it from Amazon or RockAuto - can't recall) Dealerships supposedly have good rebuilts local rebuilder (we have one near where I live - still iffy) New from dealer ($$$$$) last - typical rebuilds from Autozone, O'Reilly etc. have the most issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnceggleston Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 last - typical rebuilds from Autozone, O'Reilly etc. have the most issues yes, but they are cheap, in all ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 yes, but they are cheap, in all ways. The EMPI I got was about $15 more than a rebuilt. They are new so the case hardened surfaces are intact. Most rebuilds grind surfaces till smooth, then throw in oversize ballbearings. Surface hardening is destroyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I get EMPI's for $49.95 from my supplier. Crap parts-house remans can't be much cheaper than that. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I get EMPI's for $49.95 from my supplier. Crap parts-house remans can't be much cheaper than that. GD have these maintained their quality? Get any returns or oddballs when you buy them? I know I keep pimping them - but my 'sample size' is only one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I have had zero returns or complaints about them actually. I've probably installed between 50 and 100 of them. One thing I've seen on a couple occasions (not just with Subaru) is that they tend to have engineered away or forgotten the inner joint cup retaining device (wire ring, or riveted plate). So that the inner joint is held on by only the boot. If you give them a tug the joint comes apart.... this happens mostly on FWD vehicles where the axle is retained by a snap ring on the inside of the transmission. Not all of their Subaru axles have this problem but I've experienced at least a couple that did. I've had some similar axles that are branded as OP-Parts (but I'm told made from the same components made in the same factory in China) that are also good but I did have a pair that didn't hold up to a suspension lifted Forester with 2.5" strut spacers. Can't say I blame them for this though. That was a ridiculously difficult axle to get installed and they didn't last long at those severe angles. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I have had zero returns or complaints about them actually. I've probably installed between 50 and 100 of them. One thing I've seen on a couple occasions (not just with Subaru) is that they tend to have engineered away or forgotten the inner joint cup retaining device (wire ring, or riveted plate). So that the inner joint is held on by only the boot. If you give them a tug the joint comes apart.... this happens mostly on FWD vehicles where the axle is retained by a snap ring on the inside of the transmission. Not all of their Subaru axles have this problem but I've experienced at least a couple that did. I've had some similar axles that are branded as OP-Parts (but I'm told made from the same components made in the same factory in China) that are also good but I did have a pair that didn't hold up to a suspension lifted Forester with 2.5" strut spacers. Can't say I blame them for this though. That was a ridiculously difficult axle to get installed and they didn't last long at those severe angles. GD great feedback - I thought of one more question; do you feel it's OK to use the gold axle nut supplied or do some vehicles 'really' require the 'olive'/dark-colored axle nut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I use the supplied nuts. The color is just what type of coating they have. The gold is zinc plating for corrosion resistance. Strength should not be affected by what coating is being used. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I use the supplied nuts. The color is just what type of coating they have. The gold is zinc plating for corrosion resistance. Strength should not be affected by what coating is being used. GD gotcha thanx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferox Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I've had some similar axles that are branded as OP-Parts (but I'm told made from the same components made in the same factory in China) I got some of the OPs last time out of necessity, and they told me the same thing about them being made in the same factory in China. When I pulled the EMPIs they said Made in Taiwan, so either EMPI's factory moved to China or they have their information wrong. They might go through the same distributor or something so they are thinking it's the same factory. I haven't had any problems with the OPs for about a year, but I still think the EMPIS are higher quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forester2002s Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I got some of the OPs last time out of necessity, and they told me the same thing about them being made in the same factory in China. When I pulled the EMPIs they said Made in Taiwan, so either EMPI's factory moved to China or they have their information wrong. Could be just a question of terminology. After all, Taiwan is officially called the 'Republic of China'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_Dave Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Well, I just ordered 2 rebuilt from EMPI via auto parts warehouse, a bit over 75 beans including shipping and no core charge. That's about what they are at NAPA (my NAPA axle has been holding up so far), so what-the-hey, I'll try 'em. I really couldn't cost-justify spending about double for a unit from MWE or Raxles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferox Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Could be just a question of terminology.After all, Taiwan is officially called the 'Republic of China'. Yeah but I think China is the only one calling Taiwan the ROC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferox Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Well, I just ordered 2 rebuilt from EMPI via auto parts warehouse, a bit over 75 beans including shipping and no core charge. If you are getting EMPIs make sure you are getting new not rebuilt. That's the advantage of the EMPIs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steves72 Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 MWE out of Colorado is highly respected. Rebuilding your own is promoted a lot. rebuilding junkyard axles EMPI and Raxles.com seems to have few complaints (I have an EMPI on our 03 OBW - no problems, got it from Amazon or RockAuto - can't recall) Dealerships supposedly have good rebuilts local rebuilder (we have one near where I live - still iffy) New from dealer ($$$$$) last - typical rebuilds from Autozone, O'Reilly etc. have the most issues I have one MWE axle and one raxles.com axle on my car. I bought the raxles.com axle last time because MWE took so long to get me their axle. I have zero complaints about either axle. Both drive fine and the raxles.com unit is warrantied for life. BUT, and that is a big but, you do have to return their axle to them first for that free replacement. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89Ru Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Its a trifle bothersome when parts store axles knock the day you replace them. I now use CVO. UPS them the bad axle and it comes back rebuilt. $55 + shipping both ways. Good turn around time. http://www.cvaxles.com/rebuild_and_return.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesstutrey Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 GOt a lifted outback, will need rears eventually, my boots are rotting but can be replaced... who should i turn to? Seems they are impossible to find new.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 GOt a lifted outback, will need rears eventually, my boots are rotting but can be replaced... who should i turn to? Seems they are impossible to find new.. one option - get ahead of the problem, find a pair in a junkyard, regrease/reboot yourself. keep as spares. (mark left and right, swap side when you install and the wear surface will be almost new (just worn from reverse) if EMPI has them, they are new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferox Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 one option - get ahead of the problem, find a pair in a junkyard, regrease/reboot yourself. keep as spares. (mark left and right, swap side when you install and the wear surface will be almost new (just worn from reverse) Good advice. What is the make of OEM axles for New Gen? NTN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 What is the make of OEM axles for New Gen? NTN? ya know, this is something I have never read. maybe one of the gurus will be along with that info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnceggleston Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 FYI:FW Enterprises LLC.Formerly: “MWE Axles”.Email: mwolf1303@juno.comhttp://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/...es-solved.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avk Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) ya know, this is something I have never read. maybe one of the gurus will be along with that info. Not a guru, but I had to go twice through replacing the inner boot above the converter. The Subaru replacement boot and something inside the DOJ (inner race, if memory serves) are marked "NTN". Edited August 31, 2012 by avk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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