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ive owned 109 subarus, this ones weird for sure

 

1992 legacy auto fwd

 

will not start

 

belongs to a friend, said that it wouldnt start, hit it with starting fluid for a few weeks, and that worked, now that doesnt work

 

 

ive noticed the following-brand new coolant temp sensor

both fans on, all the time, running or not, cold or hot

iac valve doesnt look horrible, but.....

it has spark, getting fuel. compression is 125ish at all 4

 

i got it to start tonight- horrible shuddering idle, but all 4 firing, idle at 2k rpm, will restart fine after its warm. but cold start is a no go

 

 

maybe timing skipped a tooth?.....odd one

 

what thinks the land of soobies:D

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Maybe a bad mass airflow sensor? just maybe. unplug it and see if it acts any different. I have seen a bad maf make a car run real funny.

 

in fact thinking back, spraying starting fluid may have actually done the hot wire filament in the maf in for good. they can't take the solvents.

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ive owned 109 subarus, this ones weird for sure

 

1992 legacy auto fwd

 

will not start

 

belongs to a friend, said that it wouldnt start, hit it with starting fluid for a few weeks, and that worked, now that doesnt work

 

 

ive noticed the following-brand new coolant temp sensor

both fans on, all the time, running or not, cold or hot

iac valve doesnt look horrible, but.....

it has spark, getting fuel. compression is 125ish at all 4

 

i got it to start tonight- horrible shuddering idle, but all 4 firing, idle at 2k rpm, will restart fine after its warm. but cold start is a no go

 

 

maybe timing skipped a tooth?.....odd one

 

what thinks the land of soobies:D

 

i'd say your skipped tooth is a possibility - especially if it seems doggy when driven.

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Hm yes at the least the both fans staying on all the time is suspicious. I know it will do that as a failsafe if the sensor is disconnected. But if that sensor is way out of spec and the ECU thinks the coolant temp is actually say 205F when it is really 30F it's probably not going to inject enough fuel for it to run, so maybe the starter fluid helps it out a bit. That might also explain why it will restart ok if the engine is warm.

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Maybe a bad mass airflow sensor? just maybe. unplug it and see if it acts any different. I have seen a bad maf make a car run real funny.

 

in fact thinking back, spraying starting fluid may have actually done the hot wire filament in the maf in for good. they can't take the solvents.

i thought this also, i have a good one on hand, no change
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1988 and later models with Multi-Point Fuel Injection (including Legacy)

11 Crank angle sensor or circuit

12 Starter switch or circuit

13 Cam position sensor or circuit (TDC sensor on Justy)

14 Fuel injector no. 1 (Legacy, Impreza, Justy, SVX); Fuel injector 1 and 2 (XT, Loyale, GL, DL)

15 Fuel injector no. 2 (Legacy, Impreza, Justy, SVX); Fuel injector 3 and 4 (Loyale, GL, DL); Fuel injector 5 and 6 (XT6)

16 Fuel injector no. 3 (Legacy, Impreza, Justy, SVX); Fuel injector 3 and 4 (XT)

17 Fuel injector no. 4 (Legacy, Impreza, SVX); Fuel injector 1 and 2 (XT6)

18 Fuel injector no. 5 (SVX)

19 Fuel injector no. 6 (SVX)

21 Coolant temperature sensor or circuit

22 Knock sensor or circuit (right side on SVX)

23 Air flow meter or circuit (exc. Justy); Pressure sensor (Justy)

24 Air control valve or circuit (exc. Justy); Idle speed control solenoid valve (Justy)

25 Fuel Injector 3 and 4 (XT6)

26 Air temperature sensor (Justy)

28 Knock sensor no. 2 (SVX, left side)

29 Crank angle sensor (SVX, no. 2)

31 Throttle position sensor or circuit

32 Oxygen sensor or circuit (no. 1, right side on SVX)

33 Vehicle speed sensor (VSS) or circuit

34 EGR solenoid valve

35 Canister purge solenoid or circuit

36 Air suction solenoid valve (Impreza); Igniter circuit (Justy)

37 Oxygen sensor (no. 2, left side , SVX)

38 Engine torque control (SVX)

41 Air/fuel adaptive control

42 Idle switch or circuit

43 Throttle switch (Justy)

44 Wastegate duty solenoid (turbo)

45 Pressure duty solenoid (turbo)/atmospheric pressure sensor circuit (non-turbo)

49 Airflow sensor

51 Neutral switch (manual transmission)/inhibitor switch (automatic transmission)

52 Parking brake switch (exc. Justy)/Clutch switch (Justy)

55 EGR temperature sensor

56 EGR system

61 Parking brake switch (Loyale)/Fuel tank pressure control solenoid valve (Impreza)

62 Fuel temperature sensor (Impreza)/Electric load signal (Justy)

63 Fuel tank pressure sensor (Impreza)/Blower fan switch (Justy)

65 Vacuum pressure sensor

 

 

your 30 is weird, at least, there's no 30 for any soob at the above site.

 

clear them out and see which ones come back immediately.

 

from troublecodes.net

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Kinda seems like someone went along unplugging sensors to see what would happen. Or someone had the engine out and left the main harness unplugged.

 

If the ECU gets no signal from the crank sensor you get no spark. They typically fail intermittently only when warm. If it were bad I would expect the engine to not start at all.

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Have brand new NGK plugs and wires, as well as a diffrerent coil off another car. Also brand new fuel filter and oil change.

 

Thing runs fine most of the time, just seems to stumble when loaded at lower rpm's after warmed up. If I punch it , it will burble through the stumble and pull just fine.

 

It's the damnedest thing, can't figure it out.

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Could be a bad o2 sensor. Might try cleaning the MAF sensor if it has it. PCV valves are known to cause strange issues as well so if that hasn't been replaced it should be.

Make sure all vacuum hoses are in good shape and the breather and PCV hoses are clear of obstruction and connected properly.

 

One other option is the timing belt. If it has jumped one tooth the car may still run fine cold but have issues when warm.

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Basically anything out of the ordinary. Are the O2 voltages within spec? (The front sensor, Bank 1 sensor 1, is the one that controls fuel/air mixture).

Fuel trims should be somewhere around 10% to -10%. (The reading will be positive or negative depending on if the ecu is adjusting towards rich or lean A/F ratio. Beyond 10% can mean the sensor is bad.

Are any other sensor readings out of spec? Coolant temp, MAP/baro pressure/vacuum, MAF flow rate, that sort of thing.

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