ibroad Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I'm replacing my spark plugs next weekend and I'm deciding between 2 types. My Outback is stock, 5 speed MT, 4 banger 1) Manual Recommended- NGK V Power (BKR5E-11) or 2) Forum Popular - NGK Iridium IX (BKR5EIX-11) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
presslab Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Your engine uses a "wasted spark" type system. These will wear both the center electrode as well as the lateral electrode. The Iridium plug you listed will only protect against wear of the center electrode. So these plugs won't really last any longer, and you won't get any benefit from the increased cost. The correct Iridium option would be a double Iridium electrode, like the NGK Laser Iridium. http://www.amazon.com/NGK-IFR5E-11-Laser-Iridium-Spark/dp/B000GZAUG8/ http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/pdf/dyk_waste_spark_ignitions.pdf http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/pdf/DYK_LaserIridium_vs_Iridium%20IX.pdf Some Subaru turbo engines use a "coil on plug" system. These can use the plugs with only an Iridium center electrode. If your engine does not burn oil and runs clean, you can probably extend the service interval with the Laser Iridium plugs. Otherwise just use the factory recommended NGK ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibroad Posted January 29, 2013 Author Share Posted January 29, 2013 Your engine uses a "wasted spark" type system. These will wear both the center electrode as well as the lateral electrode. The Iridium plug you listed will only protect against wear of the center electrode. So these plugs won't really last any longer, and you won't get any benefit from the increased cost. The correct Iridium option would be a double Iridium electrode, like the NGK Laser Iridium. http://www.amazon.com/NGK-IFR5E-11-Laser-Iridium-Spark/dp/B000GZAUG8/ http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/pdf/dyk_waste_spark_ignitions.pdf http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/pdf/DYK_LaserIridium_vs_Iridium%20IX.pdf Some Subaru turbo engines use a "coil on plug" system. These can use the plugs with only an Iridium center electrode. If your engine does not burn oil and runs clean, you can probably extend the service interval with the Laser Iridium plugs. Otherwise just use the factory recommended NGK ones. Awesome. Thanks for the help. I'm also replacing the valve cover gaskets at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibroad Posted January 29, 2013 Author Share Posted January 29, 2013 If your engine does not burn oil and runs clean, you can probably extend the service interval with the Laser Iridium plugs. Otherwise just use the factory recommended NGK ones. So would these be alright to get? http://www.subarupartsforyou.com/cp_partdetail.php?partid=1439 $10 for 4 seems pretty damn cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickb21 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Those look right. It's almost the same (if not the same) price at my local NAPA for the V-powers. That is what I run in my '02 and haven't had any issue. I did try the G-powers (which are like a buck more each) out for 30 or 40k, and the were fine (supposedly you can go 60k between changes). But with plugs so easy to do, I just end up changing the V's every 30k give or take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 V-powers take my vote. You'll get about 40k out of them before the electrodes get too worn. Then you can re-gap them and keep on trucking, or replace them for $10 again. What are Iridiums, $10 each? $40 and they'll last 60k maybe 80k miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibroad Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 K, thanks a lot. I'll just get the V Powers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivans imports Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 most spark plug ishues i see is from the spark tracking down the side of plug instead of down the center of plug the less resistance in the plug the longer it will last ngk V power all the way i do not like the platnum or iridium plugs at all even when they are called for i do not use them and { IF IT DONT SAY NGK THROW IT AWAY ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyale 2.7 Turbo Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Your engine uses a "wasted spark" type system. These will wear both the center electrode as well as the lateral electrode. The Iridium plug you listed will only protect against wear of the center electrode. So these plugs won't really last any longer, and you won't get any benefit from the increased cost. The correct Iridium option would be a double Iridium electrode, like the NGK Laser Iridium. ... Good Info! ... ... Thanks for Sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThosL Posted Monday at 12:17 AM Share Posted Monday at 12:17 AM I put in the recommended NGK plugs a year and a half ago or so; already worn out after 25K miles or less. I kept the Denso Iridiums I had before and the misfiring and sputtering stopped. Forester is running well now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88SubGL Posted Monday at 07:02 PM Share Posted Monday at 07:02 PM Were those NGK’s from Amazon? If so, they may not be genuine NGK’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThosL Posted Tuesday at 01:44 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:44 AM 6 hours ago, 88SubGL said: Were those NGK’s from Amazon? If so, they may not be genuine NGK’s. I'd have to check my order, probably Amazon. I know Home Depot got in trouble as they played games with customers selling DeWalt and other name brand equipment that were either seconds or knock offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmdew Posted Tuesday at 01:55 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:55 AM NGK copper core is all you need. Subaru or NGK plug wires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThosL Posted Tuesday at 12:27 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:27 PM (edited) Plug failure within a year caused me unending problems which caused me to change out everything else that I thought could be the cause of sputtering and misfiring. I didn't realize it could be the NGK plugs I put in. Forester is running as well as ever; I put on a couple Cooper tires yesterday that I got from the local junkyard for $50 on the rim each nicely mounted and balanced already. Edited Tuesday at 04:43 PM by ThosL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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