efseiler Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Is there any real difference between the aftermarket axle manufacturers (e.g. EMPI, Cardone, FEQ) or is it all the same cheap Chinese crap? Thanks, --Damien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 EMPI was touted, but there were a couple of reported failures. a search will show brands people like. i would favor responses from those that have done countless axles. "I've used these axles twice" anecdotal responses have no statistical validity and don't help the axle debacle. i'm sure you know this but getting used low mileage OEM Subaru axles and rebooting them is cheap, better quality boots than aftermarket, 100% repeatable, and they'll last the life of the vehicle if properly maintained. www.car-part.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferox Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Is there any real difference between the aftermarket axle manufacturers (e.g. EMPI, Cardone, FEQ) or is it all the same cheap Chinese crap? Thanks, --Damien I would still go with EMPI of all the aftermarket options. The set I have in my Hatch have been going strong for approximately 3 years. I am probably going to swap them to the other respective sides soon, but they are not showing any indication of wear yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flight_of_pain Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I have had great success with the DTA axles, they are all new materials, no reman. The only axles besides low mileage stockers that dont vibrate in drive while stopped in my auto cars are the DTA's. Isaac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferox Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 EMPI was touted, but there were a couple of reported failures. a search will show brands people like. i would favor responses from those that have done countless axles. "I've used these axles twice" anecdotal responses have no statistical validity and don't help the axle debacle. No offense Gary, but you haven't used an aftermarket axle in how many years? I know you are all about OEM, but I'm not sure what debacle you are referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efseiler Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 well the new OEM ones cost a fortune and I'm afraid that with the remanufactured ones I'll get the same cheap Chinese one again...rebooted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efseiler Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 well $237 quoted...still a little stiff. I'd bite for those but I bet the axle stub is worn by now. Bump and grind! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp98 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 No one has mentioned them yet but MW Enterprises have done a great job in the past and used to be highly recommended here on the board for rebuilt axles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efseiler Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 DTAs look like FEQs to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efseiler Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Well...the lady on the phone gave a strong indication that Cardone was superior to FEQ... I hope she's right! Cheers, --Damien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferox Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Well...the lady on the phone gave a strong indication that Cardone was superior to FEQ... I hope she's right! Cheers, --Damien That sounds about right. I have used one set of FEQs. They lasted about a year. I also ordered a set for my Justy and they arrived without the circlips for the DOJs. The Cardones are kind of hit or miss. You might get one that lasts a long time or it might be clicky out of the box, but your chances are better with a new Cardone than FEQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Cardone failures are mentioned in the threads linked below. No offense Gary, but you haven't used an aftermarket axle in how many years? it would be months, not years. i work on dozens of vehicles so i use other peoples vehicles/parts too, it's not always ideal and i don't always get to choose. last new aftermarket set i installed vibrated on acceleration..classic inner DOJ aftermarket issue. I know you are all about OEM, used OEM axles. i use aftermarket parts all the time. but I'm not sure what debacle you are referring to. if you do enough axle work and see the vehicle long-ish term, it's all over the internet and any subaru forum, a simple search...like all these in like 30 seconds. i'm not reading them all but just as an illustration i'll copy and paste how common this is: http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/66-problems-maintenance/23162-aftermarket-axle-print.html http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/109-gen-3-2005-2009/42191-vibration-idle-not-due-axles.html http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/66-problems-maintenance/37399-vibration-idle-after-replacing-front-axles-solved.html http://allwheeldriveauto.com/seattle-subaru-cv-boots-and-axle-problems-explained/ http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/120391-braking-vibration-after-replacing-cv-axles/ http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/130439-vibration-after-new-axle-04-legacy/ Well...the lady on the phone gave a strong indication that Cardone was superior to FEQ... I hope she's right! Cheers, --Damien Here's a USMB thread by Numbchux who does tons of Subaru work and he's seen Cardone failures. i recall him having Cardone failures so it was easy to look up. http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/114729-gsp-axle-rant/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efseiler Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Are they remanufactured or new ones? I would guess rebuilts may last substantially less long... The FEQs I had in there only lasted me about 18 months... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efseiler Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 Well I just got those Cardone axles today. I inspected them and they are definitely brand-new and not remanufactured. It is a 'made in China' one but it does look very different from the FEQs I have installed now. Naturally, I won't know until they are installed and driven but I'll post more data as soon as I know for sure. So far...the lady wasn't lyin'. --Damien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efseiler Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 Well I checked the inner race cup today after a few hundred miles of driving and it's kinda loose on the transmission stub. Maybe they are machined to be that way or maybe the splines are worn from the previous installation but either way looks like I'll have to live with it. Maybe this set will hold up better overall than the FEQs ...they definitely sound different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) A co-worker at my job has been in a position to visit Asia a coupla times - not mechanical related stuff, but he says there can be a big difference in quality among even ISO 9xxx certified companies. Some are certified by Germans, some by Chinese. And, ISO 9xxx really only secures a company's consistency, not their quality. If you turn out crap, ISO 9xxx helps make certain the crap is the same every time. did any ever find a way to get NTK , or whoever makes axles for Subaru, aftermarket? I seem to recall a S. African guy was gonna try that but, I don't recall any details. I wish I knew of some silver coating/paint that I could spray on the inner boot next to the exhaust. Somehow help to further shield it from heat. Edited March 1, 2014 by 1 Lucky Texan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbolt1003 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I had very good success with EMPI. Girlfriend's Forester broke the original right front axle after 120k miles. Put an EMPI in and it has been great. Went right in, lined up perfectly. The Forester has since been handed down to her daughter who is in college and drives the car hard. Axle is still holding up great after almost 50k miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 I have an EMPI in our H6 outback. I have no qualms about it failing, good value, very nice unit but it started causing vibration 'in gear when stopped' after a year. If her Forester is a 5 spd, she may never have an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 the transmission stubby shafts pop right out - just pull them if you ever want to entertain replacing them. a circlip holds them in place. if you suspect the shafts are the cause you can get another set. i think i probably have a known good set and i'm sure lots of others do as well. so far every case i can recall has been remedied with replacement axles, suggesting the stub shafts are fine, but i'm sure left in place long enough it would have to wear over time like water over a rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upDUHcreek Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Just thought you guys might like to know that EMPI sold out that part of their company last year. I bought a set thinking I was getting the good old EMPI shaft, but the box it came in wasn't the same, and had a similar name, but not EMPI on it. Rock Auto was, and aparantly is still selling them as EMPI parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upDUHcreek Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 I knew I created a thread about this when it happened, but I thought I made it here. I guess that was wrong. Looks like I only did it on NASIOC. Here's a link with the info I found out when this went down. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2537233 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efseiler Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 the transmission stubby shafts pop right out - just pull them if you ever want to entertain replacing them. a circlip holds them in place. if you suspect the shafts are the cause you can get another set. i think i probably have a known good set and i'm sure lots of others do as well. so far every case i can recall has been remedied with replacement axles, suggesting the stub shafts are fine, but i'm sure left in place long enough it would have to wear over time like water over a rock. How can you replace those stubs without cracking the whole case open? I thought otherwise was impossible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) How can you replace those stubs without cracking the whole case open? I thought otherwise was impossible... for a manual the case does have to be split, automatics just pop right out and back in very easily. i was assuming you had an auto due to the discussion about axle stubs, where issues are usually with auto's. Edited March 4, 2014 by grossgary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efseiler Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 I used to have an automatic...but this one is a standard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I learned something AGAIN - I didn't know the MT stubs weren't just held in by circlips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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