Dinky26 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) I can see a spring that seems to go around the crank shaft in behind seal. Any idea what purpose this spring serves? Do I need to be concerned that it appears to be sprung? Any ideas on how to set the seal in completely? I am having issues put all the way in. Of course I didn't think to take a picture before trying to put the new seal in. Edited August 13, 2014 by Dinky26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbosubarubrat Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) Any idea what purpose this spring serves? Do I need to be concerned that it appears to be sprung? The spring is from the old seal(it goes inside the lip of it). It's used to keep the seal in place. Take the new seal off and take off the old spring then put the new seal back back on. Edited August 13, 2014 by turbosubarubrat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinky26 Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 The spring is from the old seal(it goes inside the lip of it). It's used to keep the seal in place. Take the new seal off and take the spring out then put the new seal back back on. Should I put that spring inside of the new seal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR_Loyale Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The spring is from the old seal(it goes inside the lip of it). It's used to keep the seal in place. Take the new seal off and take the spring out then put the new seal back back on. Really? Remove the spring from a brand new seal? I must have done things completely wrong then because I left the spring on my new front main seal when I put it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR_Loyale Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Should I put that spring inside of the new seal? Didn't the new seal come with a spring in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbosubarubrat Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Really? Remove the spring from a brand new seal? I must have done things completely wrong then because I left the spring on my new front main seal when I put it in. You miss understood what i said or you didn't look at his picture to see the old spring behind his new seal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibreakstuff Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Semantics, the killer of internet ideas. I'm going to be anti-semantic from now on.1: remove old sealB: remove loose springIII) install seal and leave the spring alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR_Loyale Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 You miss understood what i said or you didn't look at his picture to see the old spring behind his new seal. Both actually. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinky26 Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 Didn't the new seal come with a spring in it? Actually no the new seal didn't come with any spring at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinky26 Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 Semantics, the killer of internet ideas. I'm going to be anti-semantic from now on. 1: remove old seal B: remove loose spring III) install seal and leave the spring alone For as hard as the new seal is going in, I don't think a spring will make any difference anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
987687 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The new seal probably does have a spring inside of it. You just didn't look hard enough. If it doesn't it's a crap quality seal that's gonna leak. When you removed the old seal, the spring came out. It happens, it's not a big deal. Don't remove the seal you just put in, you'll break it. It looks like you have plenty of room to carefully extract the old spring. Put everything together and you'll be fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinky26 Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 The new seal probably does have a spring inside of it. You just didn't look hard enough. If it doesn't it's a crap quality seal that's gonna leak. When you removed the old seal, the spring came out. It happens, it's not a big deal. Don't remove the seal you just put in, you'll break it. It looks like you have plenty of room to carefully extract the old spring. Put everything together and you'll be fine. Yeah, that is kinda of what I was thinking that I would end up trashing it for as much tapping I was doing to get it to this point. I'm guessing that the spring is kind of covered up so it is not real visible. It is a FELPRO seal, so it shouldn't be crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibreakstuff Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Actually no the new seal didn't come with any spring at all. All seals have garter springs, hard to see but its retained in the inside lip of the seal. Well all seals except for the ones that lay on the beach all day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subruise Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 as stated above, dont remove your new seal if you can avoid it, youll ruin it. if you have to pull it go buy a new one first to get seals in correctly i use a trick i learned from MilesFox's videos. use a 10mm deep socket and a small hammer to tap around the edges of the seal until its flush w the crank case. youll notice the sound change as the socket meets the aluminum. this keeps you from going too deep. Ive seen lots of screwed up seals from folks using the pvc pipe method incorectly and so I usually dont recommend or explain that one. (and so i havent here) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloyale Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Felpro is a wholesaler they buy bulk, and repackage individually for retail resale...........In this case the seal is made by National........and they aren't the greatsest seals for Subaru engines. NOK or THO are both good, Japanese seals......NOK is the maker of the OE subaru ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinky26 Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 Felpro is a wholesaler they buy bulk, and repackage individually for retail resale...........In this case the seal is made by National........and they aren't the greatsest seals for Subaru engines. NOK or THO are both good, Japanese seals......NOK is the maker of the OE subaru ones. How about TIMKEN, their part number is the same as the one listed for the The National Brand on RockAuto.?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloyale Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 How about TIMKEN, their part number is the same as the one listed for the The National Brand on RockAuto.?. Yeah they suck too. Although with them SOMETIMES......you get an NOK seal in the TImken box........but ussually it's a National or a No Name. I am a stickler for Japanese parts. I order through World Pac though so I'm spoiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinky26 Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 Many Many THANKS! ! FOR all of the input on this. Got it all back together tonight, Finally. . Made a 1/2 price shake run to Sonic for celebration! I would have probably ended up leaving the spring in there loose.. .. So thanks again. Oh figured a good way to get the bolt torque set, block a couple of wheels and you're good as gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 i've had the fel-pro/national seals leak on older EA/ER engines as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinky26 Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 Yeah they suck too. Although with them SOMETIMES......you get an NOK seal in the TImken box........but ussually it's a National or a No Name. I am a stickler for Japanese parts. I order through World Pac though so I'm spoiled. Ah ha, Car Quest it is next time then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesFox Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 The fel pro kits can be a mixed bag, sourced from mexico and japan depending on the part. My experience, shopping at NAPA, the 'altrom' brand will supply an OEM mfg'd part 'made in japan'. Pay the extra for the middle or premium price for the best quality part if the price is less than the dealer for the same part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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