Subruise Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 i had a legacy wagon that was tboned by a f350. four occupants all ok. b pillar pushed in almost a foot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloyale Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 This was a 1990 Loyale and the seat belt didn't stop me much at all. Were you wearing the lapbelt too? or just hte automatic shoulder belt? And I didn't crash that car.....my buddy that was borrowing it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibreakstuff Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) I remember when you posted about that accident. Glad you're 90 percent and not 60 or so. Did the seatbelt not hold you due to a malfunction, or it just didn't have a high capacity to hold you back? Did the car still run? Thanks! My plan is to stay as strong as I can for as long as I can, in order to delay having the L1-L3 fusion. I have a golf ball size muscle knot that is stabilizing it for now (banding). Seat belt was still intact it just didn't do much to help. And the drivers side timing belt was cut, so definitely didn't run. The A pillars didn't really deform but the body and roof had these crazy ripples in them all the way back to the back of the car. Were you wearing the lapbelt too? or just hte automatic shoulder belt? And I didn't crash that car.....my buddy that was borrowing it did. I am religious about seat belts, never once started that car without the lap belt on. This leads me to the question of racing seats and 5 point harnesses, wouldn't they just add to whiplash injuries in a street driven car? I plan to add emm to my RX, but I'll probably not daily drive with my helmet and hans. Edited September 29, 2014 by Ibreakstuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper 157 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Also, to add to this.. While Gloyale came out ok with his crash. The crash I had march 2013 was less severe and my L2 vertebrae is now shaped like a door stop. This was a 1990 Loyale and the seat belt didn't stop me much at all. I'm probably at 90% of my former self, even after a year of PT and facet joint injections. It's a matter of circumstance and unpredictable variables as to how bad you get hurt in a crash. However, this does not dissuade me from driving an RX or EA body. My ride in high school was a single cab ranger, the air bag broke my nose and broke the the rear glass with the back of my head.. In ~10-15 mph fender bender. Every car can hurt you, driving the most dangerous thing we do. Air bags or not, be safe out there.. How fast were you going, and was this a single car collision or a multiple car collision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I've thought about adding a 5 point also. Be curious to know how it shifts the risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l75eya Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I'd think 5 points go hand in hand with helmet and neck bracing as in the HANS in racing. Without those devices I don't think a 5 point would be useful. That's my uneducated guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibreakstuff Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) It was a 35 mph <> 35 mph head on crash at an angle. I was traveling downhill on a 3 lane city blvd.. On coming honda driver pulled out in front of me making a left turn, incorrectly reading a 2 way green light as a protected green arrow. There were 2 left turn lanes her direction and she never even slow down for the intersection. I'm split on the 5 point harnesses, but I do think they are safer than the stock belts. But when I see people at autox with a 5 point and helmet, but no hans... It's asking for a neck injury. Esp with the extra weight of a helmet (Dale Earnhardt). Someone should design a hans baseball cap, for rally transits and commuting to work. Edited September 29, 2014 by Ibreakstuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comatosellama Posted October 3, 2014 Author Share Posted October 3, 2014 older gen = no air bags. newer gen = air bags. retrofit a legacy system into one! Isn't that like, incredibly dangerous, and unreliable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comatosellama Posted October 3, 2014 Author Share Posted October 3, 2014 Considering 1 in 3 drivers crash a car within the first 2 years of driving........I wouldn't let you drive my Brat either! Too valuable to get crunched by newb driver. Get an Impreza or legacy...they have Airbags. Had an imp..... Totaled it. I'd be going for a cheapo brat anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdweninger Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I don't like seeing pictures of wrecked old-gen Soobs. It almost brings tears to my eyes. Please stop... Ahhh.... Just kidding.... I still need to post pics of my '85 Hatchback - hit an elk doing 70 mph. Not a scratch on me... Car totaled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloyale Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Had an imp..... Totaled it. I'd be going for a cheapo brat anyways No such thing. Maybe in the rust belt but round here they are at least $1500~2000 for anything running Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comatosellama Posted October 4, 2014 Author Share Posted October 4, 2014 No such thing. Maybe in the rust belt but round here they are at least $1500~2000 for anything running I live in michigan, capital of the rust belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxy Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) We did things differently in Australia, Brumby's Ie Brats always had side intrusion bars in the doors on Gen 2 models. Inertia reel seat belts are not as good as a seat belt that is fixed properly adjusted, Inertia reels were designed because Joe Public is mainly an idiot who either never wears a seat belt or does not adjust it properly. Because Inertia reel belts allow you to accelerate forward and hit the steering wheel and or dash that is why they bought in Airbags it was basically admitting Inertia Reel belts are not as safe as conventional Belts properly adjusted, After all think about it when you hit something would you then want to accelerate and then be bought to a sudden halt, Makes no sense when looked at with some physics. A conventional seat belt properly adjusted will hold you firmly and then stretch to absorb the G forces of the impact, A Harness with at least 4 points will keep you square and not allow you to twist with all the danger that can represent, The 5 Point stops you slipping out from under the seat belt and under the dash not a good place to be post accident, Mind you only Ricers drive laying almost Horizontal so normal people are less likely to slip out from under the seat belt. So as you can now see Airbags are all about admitting late seat belts are a poor Joke compared to at least a Shoulder Lap fixed Belt and in no way approach the safety of a Full harness. There is after all a reason why every Motorsport Governing Body World wide does not allow the use of standard seat belts except on Transport stages in Rally's and zero tolerance in Tarmac Racing, Harness's only there. Edited October 5, 2014 by coxy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloyale Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 We did things differently in Australia, Brumby's Ie Brats always had side intrusion bars in the doors on Gen 2 models. Ours do too. But they aren't as strong looking as the Gen 3 and the EJ cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper 157 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I don't like seeing pictures of wrecked old-gen Soobs. It almost brings tears to my eyes. Please stop... Ahhh.... Just kidding.... I still need to post pics of my '85 Hatchback - hit an elk doing 70 mph. Not a scratch on me... Car totaled. STOP PLEASE STOP. YOURE MAKING ME CRY!! In all seriousness that really does suck and im sorry that happened to you. I have an 84 GL Wagon and Im sooooo attached to the machine I just cant imagine what it would be like to lose him. At least you made it out okay though, did the big b******* cave in your top or did he catch the edge of your soob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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