dp213 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Can I put a 2.2 motor from a 2002 impreza into a 1998 outback. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikaleda Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Are you sure its a 2.2l? I thought they stopped making the 2.2 in 99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnceggleston Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 the short answer is NO, you cannot use 00 - 04 engines in the 95 - 99 cars. or vice versa. the impreza had the phase 2 ej22 in 99 - 00, but none were made for the 02 cars. double check your info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikaleda Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) the short answer is NO, you cannot use 00 - 04 engines in the 95 - 99 cars. or vice versa. the impreza had the phase 2 ej22 in 99 - 00, but none were made for the 02 cars. double check your info. Not true my parents have a 97 2.5l with an 02 2.5l I found out when I got a 1334 wix filter and it was wrong. I found out it had a 02 style filter Edited November 6, 2014 by mikaleda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Oil filter size is no indicator of what year the engine is. Oil filters change design and dimensions all the time. An 02 engine WILL NOT work in a 97 car. All of the sensors and wiring on the 02 are different and are not compatible with the 97 ECU. They might have an 02 2.5 short block, but the heads and intake manifold have to be from the 97. Heads and manifolds are not compatible pre-99 to post-99, and absolutely will not swap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikaleda Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) Oil filter size is no indicator of what year the engine is. Oil filters change design and dimensions all the time. An 02 engine WILL NOT work in a 97 car. All of the sensors and wiring on the 02 are different and are not compatible with the 97 ECU. They might have an 02 2.5 short block, but the heads and intake manifold have to be from the 97. Heads and manifolds are not compatible pre-99 to post-99, and absolutely will not swap. The oil filter just told me that the wrong engine was in it, I looked up the codes the engine is an 02 in a 97 I'm sure they used the 97 intake the heads I'm not sure about, but I would assume they are matching to the engine not the car. I'm not sure what the 97 had originally but the motor is a dual overhead cam And Subaru used the 1334 filter until 99 then changed to the 1356 filter Edited November 7, 2014 by mikaleda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnceggleston Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) I'm not sure what the 97 had originally but the motor is a dual overhead cam that would make it an ej25D, 96 - 99, DOHC, since the 02 is SOHC. since the engine in your parents car was swapped, it could be a 99 ej25, which did in fact use a phase 2 block, 00 - 04, with the DOHC heads, 96 - 99, from the factory. but the intake and heads MUST match since the phase 1 intake and the phase 2 will not swap. they will bolt on the other phase heads. Not true my parents have a 97 2.5l with an 02 2.5l this is true, kind of..... a complete engine will NOT work with out a CEL and trouble code. you can make it work, and it will run, (ask gloyal) but you will have a light all the time. plus, i think we have already covered the block only vs. a complete engine. but when someone asks a generic question about phase 2 engines in a phase 1 car, better to be straight forward and definite, no maybes, or they might waste their time and money on the wrong engine and end up with a HUGE headache. besides , answering NO is less typing than explaining the details. Edited November 7, 2014 by johnceggleston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikaleda Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 The block is most definitely an 02 I have absolutely no doubt about that. The heads must have been swapped if the 02 is sohc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdventureSubaru Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 For a 98 Outback 2.2 look for 96-98 2.2s from Legacy and Impreza to be an exact match (OBDII and single port exhaust) 96 is ideal because it was still non interference vs 97 and 98 If you're willing to swap your exhaust y pipe 95 will work just fine since it is also OBDII 1990-1994 will work if you swap y pipe and your intake manifold to make it OBDII A secondary consideration is if it is EGR equipped or not. It will run fine but throw a check engine code if it doesn't match. 94 and earlier were non egr. 95 + it mostly came with and auto transmission equipped car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dp213 Posted November 8, 2014 Author Share Posted November 8, 2014 I found out its a 98 2.2 from an impreza with a 5 speed. The outback is a 5 speed also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dp213 Posted November 8, 2014 Author Share Posted November 8, 2014 Also the outback was a 2.5 double can motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnceggleston Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) I found out its a 98 2.2 from an impreza with a 5 speed. The outback is a 5 speed also. Also the outback was a 2.5 double can motor. there are 2 problems with the swap. 1/ the 98 ej22 from a manual trans usually does not have EGR. the 98 ej25 in the outbacks ALL need EGR. this means you will have a CEL and a trouble code all the time. the car will run fine, but resale may be an issue. and if a CEL in your state will fail an inspection, then you are toast. it can be over come by installing an intake from an EGR ej22, 95 - 98. but you will have to use the EGR ''work around''. an intake manifold will run about $65 - $75. so add that to the cost of the 98 ej22 replacement engine, and see if you can find a 95 ej22 with EGR for less. the 95 ej22 with EGR is the EASIEST engine swap available. www.car-part.com the 95 ej22 with NO EGR (manual trans car) will also work, but you need an egr intake and do the ''work around'' . 2/ the 96 - 98 ej22 w/ EGR (auto trans car) will work, but you need the exhaust manifold, y-pipe. confused yet? ej22 engines w/ EGR that will swap in preferred order: 95 ej22 w/ egr, (auto trans car) 96 - 98 ej22 w/ egr, (auto trans car) - you will need the matching exhaust y-pipe. non-EGR ej22 engines that will work in preferred order: 95 ej22 w/ no egr, (manual trans car) ''work around required''. 96 - 98 ej22 w/ no egr, (manual trans car) - you will need the matching exhaust y-pipe, ''work around'' required . the workaround is not hard, but you will need the intake manifold, about $75. Edited November 9, 2014 by johnceggleston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dp213 Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 I have both intakes. What is the work around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dp213 Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 I also have the correct single port y pipe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnceggleston Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) I have both intakes. What is the work around.? my earlier post had a typo, which i have corrected. in order to mak the 98 ej22 engine from a manual trans car work, you will need an intake manifold from and ej22 AUTO trans car w/ EGR. the intake from the ej25 WILL NOT WORK. the work around Using a NON-EGR engine in Subaru with EGR - Submit a Tip or Mod to the USRM - Ultimate Subaru Message Board Edited November 9, 2014 by johnceggleston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dp213 Posted November 13, 2014 Author Share Posted November 13, 2014 Which flywheel do I use. The original out of the outback 2.5 or the one from the impreza 2.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdventureSubaru Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Flywheels should be the same. I put the flywheel from a 99 2.5 onto a 96 2.2 with no issue. it's the flex plates that I know are different between the 2.2 and 2.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnceggleston Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Flywheels should be the same. I put the flywheel from a 99 2.5 onto a 96 2.2 with no issue. it's the flex plates that I know are different between the 2.2 and 2.5. i agree. but you will never go wrong using the stuff that came on your car and matches your trans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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