DaveT Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Just started driving home, and it's like I bumped the shifter into neutral. No power to the weels. No gears. 4wd no effect. No bad noises, nothing. Flat bed on the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihscout54 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Your posts are good and I realize you are savy but I still feel the need to throw this out for you. The most common reason for a no drive situation on any auto is very low fluid. Its unlikey it would just happen but might take a peak befor u pay for a tow. You could have blown a cooler line and dumped some fluid... While you have the dipstick out might as well give it a sniff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbosubarubrat Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Stripped front hub and vacuum/electrical for 4wd not working? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihscout54 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Stripped front hub and vacuum/electrical for 4wd not working? I thought about the stripped hub but ignored it since he mentioned no noises and nothing in 4wd. This totally possible even if the 4wd switch and solenoid were good the clutches might not be. Another easy thing to check for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 The op was made while waiting for the tow. No flood of atf anywhere. It quit on a moderate uphill grade. I rolled it back into a parking lot, sitting level, still no dice. 28 degrees. No flashlight. (D'oh!) No funnel. About a 30 minute drive home. I've been home for about 30 minutes now. Going to pull the dipstick in a few minutes . I'll update in a bit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 4wd worked a day or 2 ago. No noises at time of failure, or after. I really thought I bumped the shifter into neutral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyeights Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Does park hold on a hill without the e-brake?? Just wondering if the axles and final drive are ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 Park holds. Fluid level normal. Did start and try it before using my backhoe to pull and push it into the garage. Absolutely zilch effect, any choice of gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj7291993 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 The 3EAT likes to strip out the governor gear. Will it move in 1 or 2? If memory serves, the governor is on the top of the transmission. If you search around here, you should be able to find something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj7291993 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/115992-87-gl-transmission-swapconversion-ea82/?p=977899 This is a post with a picture of what mine looked like when it quit. The gear on the end of it should be square. If it looks like the one in the picture, that's your problem (or at least on of them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 No power to the wheels no matter what position of the selector. No change in idle speed. No reaction to raising the rpms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihscout54 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Now that you have daylight Ide recheck the fluid again, warmed up after completely cycling through all the gears. Dont just look at the level check color and see if its severely contaminated (like it has antifreeze in it). For you to have nothing in any gear suggests a pressure problem: Failed pump, clogged filter, bad internal leak etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 The atf looks good, nothing unusual there. I should look at the manual... if it's the pump or it's drive, can I fix it on the car if I pull the engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihscout54 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Ide drop the pan first, check filter, see if the valve body is loos or has a blown out gasket.. What manual do you have? pm me if u need help with that. Silverhelm has rebuilt these and knows them far more than I. When I get home ill look at the 3at in the garage and see if the pump can come off easily in the front. IMO its easier to pull the motor but honeslty less work and less mess to pull the trans. Its tough to get it out from under the car without a lift. A pressure test kit would be awesome here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 I have a rig to drop the Trans. I could come up with a way to test pressure. I have full FSM for 86 and 90. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihscout54 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I have a rig to drop the Trans. I could come up with a way to test pressure. I have full FSM for 86 and 90. Awesome. I guess its time to open up the FSM too the auto tranny trouble shooting section and follow the tree for "no drive in any gear". I still think you should drop that pan first. Keep us posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 Gathered parts to connect a pressure gauge to the line pressure test port. Need to get something to unscrew the plug. Metric square head in an impossible location to get a wrench on. Only a socket will get in there. 1/4" drive end is too small. 6 point won't grab it. In the manual, it shows a couple of tubes that have to be pried out to remove the control valve. It also says only re install new ones. Are they still available? Anyone ever try to re use? Thank you everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 Setup for dropping transmission. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee2 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Here's another thread which has a similar problem. http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/79273-92-loyale-3at-4wd-wont-go-into-any-gear-lost-all-gears-at-cruising-speed-on-highway/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subruise Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 have you pulled or checked the governor gear for apple core yet? it lives under the dome on the trans. you know this im sure but future searchers might not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 My understanding of what the governor does indicates that it would screw up the shift points, or not shift. This is not the problem. Tomorrow I will be stopping at Napa to see if I can find anything to get the test plug out. When I get home, I'm going to pull one of the cooling lines and check for fluid while running. No fluid, no pump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l75eya Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Here's another thread which has a similar problem. http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/79273-92-loyale-3at-4wd-wont-go-into-any-gear-lost-all-gears-at-cruising-speed-on-highway/ It's not a good sign when the thread ends with the OP talking about airing up the tires in his bicycle... :-[ Davet on sure you'll get that car back on the road though, whatever it takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihscout54 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Here's another thread which has a similar problem. http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/79273-92-loyale-3at-4wd-wont-go-into-any-gear-lost-all-gears-at-cruising-speed-on-highway/ "all the kings horses" Haha friggen GD! Im hoping this thread wont become a "manual swap" thread. At this point a pressure check has become more trouble then its worth. If you really want to pull a cooler line you can but it may not tell u much. Even if fluid pukes out it doesnt mean theres enough pressure to operate the tranny. Drop the pan... Edited January 23, 2015 by ihscout54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 I like manual shift. BUT. Clutching annoys the arthritis in my left knee. It's way easier to maneuver in tight places and or with a trailer with an automatic. My wife can't drive a standard. I rebuilt a Ford select-o-speed transmission. It is a 10 forward 2 reverse tractor transmission. Same kind of internal mechanisms as what I see in the FSM for the 3AT. Just more them. And bigger. At the moment, I am half way through swapping the tires from the dead 87 to the 93 so I can drive in snow if needed. Next, pressure check. Before dropping the pan, so I don't have to back track. A 12 point 8mm socket is needed to remove the test plug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloyale Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Broken flexplate? Guess it wouldn't start then. Missing flexplate bolts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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