Fozzie Bear Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Have an 05 Forester LL Bean (257k blown head gasket, etc.), and an 03 Forester X donor car (70k ran great). I wish to swap the engine, trans, exhaust, suspension, and rack & pinion. Can I remove the engine and trans simultaneously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 No they don't come out like that. The engine cradle is too far back and you can't good angle on the trans to where the engine clears the core support and the trans slips up through.... not recommended. Drop the trans from the bottom and engine out the top or unbolt the entire engine cradle and trans member and drop everything out the bottom. GD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtdash Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 +1 As a side-note, the '03 should be MAP-based ECU system whereas the '05 is MAF-based - and maybe one has EGR?. So...don't throw out the '05's IM and harness...you'll want to move it on over tot he '03's engine. Not sure, but I think both use TOP-feed injectors so the '03's 70K ones may work in the '05's fuel rails. If the LL Bean has that self-leveling suspension there may be some tricks to swapping it out, too (I've never done that)..... but the '03 should still fit...being Legos and all. :-) Td 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dp213 Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Isn't thhe 05 LL Bean a 6 cylinder and the 03 doner a 4 cylinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Isn't thhe 05 LL Bean a 6 cylinder and the 03 doner a 4 cylinder No it isn't. The H6 has never been available in the Forester. GD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dp213 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 That's good to know. I though all the beans were 6. I saw one for sale and ignored it because I thougt it was the like the outback bean and had the 6 and didn't even look at it. And it was a good deal???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 La'bean is just lipstick for the pig in the Forester models. Dead cow, fake tree carcass, etc. GD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_Dave Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 You might have to swap the '05 AWD transfer solenoid and valve over, and there might be a worse incompatability between the trans and the TCU. For outbacks I know starting in '04 on those the transfer solenoid valve/tcu worked backwards (12v locked vs the 12v slipping of '03 and earlier). In '05 didn't they start putting the transfer solenoid and valve in the pan area? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 In '05 didn't they start putting the transfer solenoid and valve in the pan area? I believe that's right. 05+ you can't buy the solenoid anymore - have to buy the whole valve body. That's how I remember it anyway..... Trans will probably not be compatible. GD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Can I remove the engine and trans simultaneously?Absolutely, I've done it multiple times, and what's more, it's easy. avoids the disassembling and assembling insitu which is awesome. Make sure you have enough height available and room under the vehicle as the lump comes out nearly verticle (I'm exaggerating but it's steep). I have no idea why everyone here is saying you can't do it, I've done it on old gen, new gen and beefy EZs with automatics and it's easy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie Bear Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 Thank you all for the feedback. I'll go original trans, for now. On the 05 model, a breather pipe goes from the back of the intake, driver's side, to the back of the head. The 03 head has no pipe or fitting. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtdash Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Sounds like EGR tube. You can try THIS, or you'll have to drill and tap that head.....that's what's done on most of the JDM imported engines when swapped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie Bear Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 Sounds like EGR tube. You can try THIS, or you'll have to drill and tap that head.....that's what's done on most of the JDM imported engines when swapped. No IAC on this model. If I drill and tap, It'll leave shavings in the head Might as well change head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Shavings just drop into the exhaust port. Will not do anything. In fact they will either get blown out or melted. They don't have enough mass to handle exhaust gas temps without being vaporized. GD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie Bear Posted September 2, 2017 Author Share Posted September 2, 2017 Swapped the struts plus,no problem. Exhaust system worked with original 02"s. Swapped short block, payed close attention to detail, I believe, took my sweet time. Now won't start.Turns over great. Can't hear the fuel pump. Re-checked all the wiring and fuses. Wheels are still in the air. Besides blown head gasket, everything worked fine before engine pull. No security light at instrument cluster. Is there a reset procedure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 You need to tell us exactly what you did - you only swapped an NA 03 short block into an NA 05 vehicle? Nothing else? Vacuum leaks are common- brake booster for instance, and any small ones around the throttle body/intake hose/intake manifold area. Here's a 5 minute diagnosis to start: Check for fuel Check for spark Check OBDII codes Check all the sensor connectors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie Bear Posted September 2, 2017 Author Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) Changed just the short block. Had the heads rebuilt. New timing set and water pump, hoses, gaskets, fluids and filters. Re-checked all vacuum hoses, wiring connections. All sensors are connected. No code reader here right now. Plenty of fuel, no spark. Edited September 2, 2017 by Fozzie Bear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) Great you got it narrowed down to no spark, someone will lead you in the right direction, i haven't ran into that with new gen except for coils/igniters but that's unlikely here. You definitely used the original timing sprockets that were in the vehicle? Coil and igniter are all connected and original? Edited September 2, 2017 by idosubaru 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie Bear Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 Installed original crank and camshaft sensors, runs good, but overheats. With cooling system pressure tester, pessure rises with higher rpm's. Used fel pro blue gaskets, but on LH siide I experienced creaking when tightening bolts. Bought Federal Mogul assembly lube and experienced no creaking on RH side. Is tightening an option, or replacement? Heads were rebuilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_Dave Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 If you can confirm it's exhaust into the coolant, it'll have to be a new gasket I think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie Bear Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 With gas analyzer, no gas till right before fans come on, then it spews coolant out like a volcano and overheats. This time, I installed head gaskets from Subaru and used Amsoil. Same thing. Would a JDM 2.0 with EGR simply bolt in with intake, sensors, timing sprockets. I'm willing to accept 15 hp loss. My budget is very tight, and I found one for $600 delivered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie Bear Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 With gas analyzer, no gas till right before fans come on, then it spews coolant out like a volcano and overheats. This time, I installed head gaskets from Subaru and used Amsoil. Same thing. Would a JDM 2.0 with EGR simply bolt in with intake, sensors, timing sprockets. I'm willing to accept 15 hp loss. My budget is very tight, and I found one for $600 delivered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie Bear Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 With gas analyzer, no gas till right before fans come on, then it spews coolant out like a volcano and overheats. This time, I installed head gaskets from Subaru and used Amsoil. Same thing. Would a JDM 2.0 with EGR simply bolt in with intake, sensors, timing sprockets. I'm willing to accept 15 hp loss. My budget is very tight, and I found one for $600 delivered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike104 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 With gas analyzer, no gas till right before fans come on, then it spews coolant out like a volcano and overheats. This time, I installed head gaskets from Subaru and used Amsoil. Same thing. Would a JDM 2.0 with EGR simply bolt in with intake, sensors, timing sprockets. I'm willing to accept 15 hp loss. My budget is very tight, and I found one for $600 delivered. I put a JDM EJ201 into my '03 Forester and swapped the Camshaft/Crankshaft gears and applicable sensors over. Started right away and runs like a champ. Used my original Intake Manifold/wiring harness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt167 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Yes, EJ201/202/203 are all pretty much direct swaps once you swap the cam/ crank gears and the intake. The EJ203 is rated the highest HP of them all although I don't think there is much difference between them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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