Souperoo Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 My new to me 2004 Forester has one of those awful antenna's in the rear side window, what do you guys suggest using and where do you locate a real antenna? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 does the car have the original headunit? If not, maybe the antenna amplifier wasn't hooked-up. does a CD sound OK? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souperoo Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Original unit. CD player doesn't work ... yet. How do you get to the back of it/pull the whole unit? I saw posts and I'd like to check to make sure that power wire is on for the ant. amp. As far as sound goes, it's the antenna or related, stronger stations come in OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 never done it but, someone here probably has, or check youtube? crutchfield.com is a good place to shop, they also may have install instructions. or, post WTB in the classifieds here or check ebay for an original HU if that's what you want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souperoo Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Were those 6 CD units problems from new or do they normally last long? I can get by without CD's, just would like to make it all work. My favorite radio station is pretty far away but it comes in clear in my other vehicles. With the Subaru it's touch and go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) If it's like the one in my 06 WRX, mine's still rocking like new. Pulls-in a college station on the other side of the city on most days even though I think they have a 40W light bulb for an antenna! I may have pass side speaker getting scratchy.... is your antenna in a side window ? Edited February 12, 2018 by 1 Lucky Texan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souperoo Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Thanks Tex. If someone can tell me how to get it out I'd appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montana tom Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 If this were an 04 outback this is how you would access the radio. Forester shouldn't be that different. If you want to remove the radio, start by popping the trim off around the shifter . You will see 2 screws , remove them , this allows the lower tray to come out. Then you use a stubby screwdriver to remove 2 screws holding the ash tray ,these screws are pointed up. After that carefully pop off the rest of the face plate and then you will see the screws holding in the radio. As with any 14 year old plastic "POP" carefully! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souperoo Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 If this were an 04 outback this is how you would access the radio. Forester shouldn't be that different. If you want to remove the radio, start by popping the trim off around the shifter . You will see 2 screws , remove them , this allows the lower tray to come out. Then you use a stubby screwdriver to remove 2 screws holding the ash tray ,these screws are pointed up. After that carefully pop off the rest of the face plate and then you will see the screws holding in the radio. As with any 14 year old plastic "POP" carefully! Thanks Tom! Mine looks the same, just haven't had the time to get to it fully but the shifter trim pops off and reveals screws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith3267 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Is your issue with AM or FM stations or both? Those window antenna's aren't really designed for AM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souperoo Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 Is your issue with AM or FM stations or both? Those window antenna's aren't really designed for AM. It's FM, but it is a radio station that I'm on the fringe of the broadcast area. My other vehicles with "real" antenna's do work a lot better for that station. It's *my* station, NPR, WNCW. The window antenna's are often directional so if you drive in a circle you may find a spot that works better, but that's hard to do on the interstate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Luckily I have not had an issue with my OE window antenna or it's amplifier, so I can't offer much on the diagnostic or repair of yours.... But, I have this universal amplified window-mount antenna in my Toyota Celica: https://www.amazon.com/Metra-44-UA200-Universal-Amplified-Antenna/dp/B0007WRQ8K/ My Celica came with a factory power antenna, which broke at some point and a previous owner put a janky universal one in it's place. I patched the hole and painted over it, and mounted that in the top of the windshield and it works great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith3267 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 It's FM, but it is a radio station that I'm on the fringe of the broadcast area. My other vehicles with "real" antenna's do work a lot better for that station. It's *my* station, NPR, WNCW. The window antenna's are often directional so if you drive in a circle you may find a spot that works better, but that's hard to do on the interstate. Early window antenna's were bi-directional and very poor for AM. They worked for FM most of the time. Newer in window antenna's are using fractal designs which have a lot more bandwidth and efficiency and are almost omni-directional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souperoo Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 All I know is that all my other vehicles pick up a certain station much better than the Forester does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith3267 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Are your windows tinted after market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souperoo Posted February 24, 2018 Author Share Posted February 24, 2018 No tint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith3267 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 The antenna is in a side window? I have not seen this, usually it is in the rear window. Can you see the path of the wires in the window? If so is there a pair of wires going up the center and then turning 90 degrees in opposite directions to form a T shape or are there several rows with bends in different places? The former would be a dipole, the latter would be a fractile antenna. A fractile should work good. If it doesn't, then I'd trace the wires to the edge of the glass. You may have to remove some trim. The check the connections. They could have become corroded or just lost contact. Carefully removing them and reinserting the connections, or just wiggling them could improve your reception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike104 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 On my 03 Forester the antenna is in the left rear window. After my son installed his new HU radio reception sucked. Googled and found out the the blue Power Antenna wire needed to be connected to power the booster. Connected the wire and works much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartless Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) my 2002 Foz also has the left rear window antenna. no major issues here with an aftermarket head unit. I changed mine out for one that has bluetooth for hands free phone use, also has a USB port.. a bit more "modern" than the stock unit, lol you can see the antenna traces pretty will in this pic... Edited February 25, 2018 by heartless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souperoo Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 What? Did you install that antenna? Definitely wider traces and different pattern than mine. If I was able to go back and change the name of this thread it would be: "Window antenna not as good as an old fashioned one" It's not awful ... on stronger stations, just on my favorite station. Maybe I'll buy a steel rod one and hook it up to the amp and see what happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith3267 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) If you have a pattern anything like the one in the picture, then it is a fractile design and I can guarantee it is superior to any "steel rod" antenna. Fractile antenna designs are what has made the high bandwidth 3G and 4G smart phones work like they do, the old rod antennas could not handle these tasks. If yours isn't working, then there is a problem somewhere with a connection. It isn't the antenna's fault. It is possible that there might be a break in one of the traces in the window that would disrupt reception, you would have to examine every trace very carefully but it's far more likely that there is corrosion in one of your connections or the shield in the coax is broken or kinked. If ants get into your car, they love the dielectric in the coax and will eat right through the shield to get at it. Edited February 25, 2018 by keith3267 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souperoo Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 Here are pictures of fractal antennas. To be a fractal they must have repeating patterns in different sizes, in antenna normally geometric shapes. Like these:https://www.google.com/search?q=images+of+fractal+antenna&client=firefox-b-1-ab&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=x1N3U4lVqI-Q2M%253A%252C4QvV4zP0TC9KMM%252C_&usg=__sj2m8ZCHSBk0x6OQFKQCJG4tdQE%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiD-ZaMusLZAhUB2IMKHfi7B1UQ9QEIKzAA#imgrc=x1N3U4lVqI-Q2M: That's a far cry from what is on my window. Besides, fractal antenna are indeed good for higher frequencies like cell phones, not nearly as good for low frequencies as used for FM radio, more like just passable for those who like to jump on the "look no antenna" bandwagon. Those little shark fin type antenna are probably fractal inside, great for high frequencies like XM satellite radio and GPS signals. Not to mention that if these window ones worked so great for FM, why do they need an amplifier? The old steel rod doesn't need one. There is nothing wrong with my stupid window antenna, it simply does not work as well as the good ole steel rod type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartless Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 What? Did you install that antenna? Definitely wider traces and different pattern than mine. nope, i did not... that is what was on the car when I got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith3267 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 "Not to mention that if these window ones worked so great for FM, why dothey need an amplifier? The old steel rod doesn't need one." Actually they did and still do. Car radios have always had a pre-amp in them. Fractal antenna's are a lot more complex than just repeating patterns, I have built some for TV's. The ones I built for TV reception did not pick up LVHF but that was only because they weren't designed for that. LVHF requires larger elements than the ones I made, but for HVHF and UHF, they were fantastic and did not require a preamp as my more conventional antenna's had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souperoo Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 I was going out of town today to where I knew I'd loose my favorite station. When it got fairly bad I stopped and checked the connectors which are OK. Then I clipped a ~ 18" aligigator test lead on the antenna at the plug and moved it around. I left it clipped on going almost straight forward and that station came in for another ~ 10 miles till I got to the point where any of my vehicles would loose that station. I'll have to see how it does around town where I'm closer to station but it fades out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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