Jadu108 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 95 Legacy 2.2L The tick honestly sounds like what ive heard in videos as lifter/valve tick... But it doesnt do it until warmup, which is what most experience(i think?), but for me it does it only after it has warmed up for a period of 15 or so minutes of idle, and is not noticable when driving... as in i think it only does it when idle. no CEL, using 10w30 oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 hydraulic lifters? I've read some folks have used Marvel Mystery Oil or some other additives to help with lifter tick. rod knock is quite loud and gets very aggressive at higher RPMs, some youtube videos demonstrate it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forester2002s Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 I've found that an oil change often gets rid of 'tappet tick'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadu108 Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 Yeah, the sound is consistent with what ive heard as lifter tick, it just its habits seem opposite of what most ppl say theres does... ill try an oil change and maybe some MMO here soon. im do for an oil change within a couple hundred miles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartless Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 maybe low oil pressure? i seem to recall others mentioning tightening the screws on the back of the oil pump when doing a timing service.. if they are loose, you could be losing a little pressure, but it gets made up for when rpms are higher. fwiw, the only time my 95 ticked was when oil was a little low, or it was due for an oil change. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 ^^^ good point ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadu108 Posted July 10, 2019 Author Share Posted July 10, 2019 5 hours ago, heartless said: maybe low oil pressure? i seem to recall others mentioning tightening the screws on the back of the oil pump when doing a timing service.. if they are loose, you could be losing a little pressure, but it gets made up for when rpms are higher. fwiw, the only time my 95 ticked was when oil was a little low, or it was due for an oil change. that is a good point, honestly sounds pretty spot on considering as the car warms up, the oil becomes more viscous and doesnt have as much pressure as cold thick oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_freddo Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 My EJ22 has lifter tick when the oil is low. It’s like a built in indicator! Lifter tick is very different to knock in sound. Tick is a higher pitched frequency than that of knock which is a much lower tone sound. And knock from a dead/dying bearing sounds like it’s deep in the engine too (which it is). Cheers Bennie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadu108 Posted July 11, 2019 Author Share Posted July 11, 2019 changed oil today, tick is still there, although more intermittently... I will do MMO next, but im starting to lean on the screws on the oil pump as i have a small drip coming from bottom of the timing belt cover, creating a lower pressure... Driving and performance is otherwise unaffected... Sound is towards the back of the right side head, facing the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_freddo Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 If the screws on the oil pump are loose they leak internally. The drop you’re seeing is probably the crank seal leaking. So LHS bank is making the noise. With the use of a stethoscope, you should be able to isolate the noise to the top end or the bottom end. Cheers Bennie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartless Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 agree the leak is most likely from bad seals - either crank or cam. Those should be (should have been) replaced when doing a timing service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadu108 Posted July 11, 2019 Author Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, el_freddo said: If the screws on the oil pump are loose they leak internally. The drop you’re seeing is probably the crank seal leaking. So LHS bank is making the noise. With the use of a stethoscope, you should be able to isolate the noise to the top end or the bottom end. Cheers Bennie No stethoscope atm but i can say for sure i hear it more in the passenger Wheel Well than the top side Edited July 11, 2019 by Jadu108 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartless Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 https://www.harborfreight.com/Mechanics-Stethoscope-63691.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Replace the lifter o-rings. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadu108 Posted July 12, 2019 Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 14 hours ago, GeneralDisorder said: Replace the lifter o-rings. GD is this something that would have been done part of a valve job(or should have been). My friend who gave me the car had a valve job done within the last 30-40k, maybe more like 20k ago, about 2 yrs or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Depends on who is doing it, but usually not unless it has ticking lifter symptoms. GD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadu108 Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 Alright. I will probably delay doing this for awhile, perhaps when i decide to do timing or something... The tick has quieted itself a bit and is less frequent so im not going to be concerned about it further. Thanks for the input guys... If i do this in the near future I will update what i did and if it solved the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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