Service Manual question?

[Checkerboard Comet]

I'm considering picking up the 1985 official Subaru factory service manuals.

But, the cover states they are for the 1800 version engine. Does anyone know if this particular 1985 set also covers the 1600?

My 1985 GL wagon is the automatic 1600, fyi. Thanks.

[moosens]

Sorry , I didn’t read so well.

To sum up , I had no idea they still made a wagon with a 1600 in 1985 for the USA. 
 

Pardon me if you’re elsewhere. 

Edited January 26, 2021 by moosens

[moosens]

Sorry 

Edited January 26, 2021 by moosens

[moosens]

No sign of a 1985 or later 1600 manual in my visible collection. And I really do not recall ever seeing one for a 1600 after 1984

Edited January 26, 2021 by moosens

[Loyale 2.7 Turbo]

9 hours ago, Checkerboard Comet said:

... My 1985 GL wagon is the automatic 1600, fyi ...

Are you Sure? 

if so, it might be the older model.

Subaru used the EA71 on the Loyale platform up to 1994 everywhere else except USA.

Kind Regards.

[Checkerboard Comet]

100% positive, it is a 1600 in a 85 wagon

[GeneralDisorder]

Then it either isn't a wagon, or it isn't a 1600, or it's not an original engine. Subaru DID NOT produce a 1600 wagon in 1985 (for the US market). The only 85 model available with a 1600 was the STD Hatchback (2-door)...... which I don't believe was available with an automatic - 4 speed FWD or 4 speed single range 4WD only.  

Lets see some pics and we can ID this unit for you. 

GD

Edited January 28, 2021 by GeneralDisorder

[el_freddo]

3 hours ago, Loyale 2.7 Turbo said:

Subaru used the EA71 on the Loyale platform up to 1994 everywhere else except USA.

And Australia - the small forgotten island in the Southern Hemisphere   

I don’t think we ever got the 1600 down here...

Cheers 

Bennie

[1 Lucky Texan]

could the car, or at least the engine, be from Canada?

[moosens]

This has to be a hatchback. I used to call them “stubby wagons”.

Dude , picture please. You’re causing an itch some of us want scratched. 

[Sasse]

I have no idea if the manual covers your engine.  But, I do believe you can read the number cast into the block identifying it as an ea71, not an ea81 or ea82.

[Loyale 2.7 Turbo]

On 1/26/2021 at 12:29 AM, el_freddo said:

And Australia - the small forgotten island in the Southern Hemisphere   

I don’t think we ever got the 1600 down here...

Cheers 

Bennie

Oh, you're right. 

New Zealand got the EA71 and a variant from the Loyale, called Royale:

~► https://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/114962-rarest-old-school-subaru-part-or-option/?do=findComment&comment=1341708

although another XT6 based sedan prototype was already called Royale:

~► https://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/50983-strange-and-weird-subaru-stuff/?do=findComment&comment=945792

Sorry for the offtopicness.

 

On 1/26/2021 at 1:33 AM, moosens said:

This has to be a hatchback. I used to call them “stubby wagons”.

Dude , picture please. You’re causing an itch some of us want scratched. 

Yes, a picture of your car is needed indeed.

Kind Regards.

Edited January 28, 2021 by Loyale 2.7 Turbo

[el_freddo]

@Loyale 2.7 Turbo - we got the four door sedan Royale in the later stages of the Leone model. It had the MPFI EA82 and everything electric you could throw at it other than a digi dash. 

I too am keen to see pics of the vehicle in question  We love pics! 

Cheers 

Bennie

[myhilo]

I have a 1993 Loyale,  pre ODBII so scanner's don't work.  I believe there was a way to jumper the ODB 1   socket to get codes.  I also have manuals which refer to connectors which can be connected for diagnosis,  but the descriptions in my manuals don't allow me to identify the correct connectors.  

I'd really like the electrical schematics ,  I missed a factory service manual set, the other day, already sold.  I do see some sets but they omit the electrical schematic volume.  I do see on-line 'dvd' suppliers but comments suggest they are frauds, so any suggestions?  Even old posts which may help would be great.  This is such a great car, it should never die....

[GeneralDisorder]

Go to the dealership and buy a new set of manuals. 

GD

[DaveT]

To read the codes from an EA82, just count the blinks on the LED on the ECU.  It's bolted under the steering column.   You have to take the plastic kick panel off first.  Any current code will be flashed there.  Long flashes are 10s place, short are 1s place.  2 digit codes only.  Everything ok is all short.  5 or 6, I forget. 

[1 Lucky Texan]

can't attest to accuracy, but there's info for different years/models here; https://www.troublecodes.net/subaru/

[myhilo]

GD suggested I can get the FSM for electrical  for my 93 loyale JF1AC4226PC200963.  
I was thrilled, so I called my local Subaru dealership, said not available, doubted anything was available.  Did I try the wrong Dealer, the Parts guy did remember the Loyale, checked with his manager,  said not available.

 

[DaveT]

GD is usually right....  It has been a long time since I bought a FSM.  Both I got at dealers, but the car's were in production at the time.  I use my 86 and 90 manuals for all the years between 86 and 93, there are only some small differences.  Any fsm from 90 to 93 would likely be very close.  The bigest differences I found were in the late 80s, 86-88.

[subaru1988]

3 hours ago, myhilo said:

GD suggested I can get the FSM for electrical  for my 93 loyale JF1AC4226PC200963.  
I was thrilled, so I called my local Subaru dealership, said not available, doubted anything was available.  Did I try the wrong Dealer, the Parts guy did remember the Loyale, checked with his manager,  said not available.

 

1992_Subaru_Service_Manual-Engine_Wiring

Edited February 4, 2021 by subaru1988

[Checkerboard Comet]

On 1/25/2021 at 10:20 PM, GeneralDisorder said:

Then it either isn't a wagon, or it isn't a 1600, or it's not an original engine. Subaru DID NOT produce a 1600 wagon in 1985 (for the US market). The only 85 model available with a 1600 was the STD Hatchback (2-door)...... which I don't believe was available with an automatic - 4 speed FWD or 4 speed single range 4WD only.  

Lets see some pics and we can ID this unit for you. 

GD

I will post pictures today, sorry for the delay. It's mom's car, but I try to keep it going as long as I can.

I have replaced the front and rear bumpers to Loyale versions, as well as the front parking/marking lenses.

So it may look like a Loyale, but it is an 85.

Edited February 6, 2021 by Checkerboard Comet

[Checkerboard Comet]

OK guys, your right......I was wrong.

It is a 1800, at least according the hood identification information. Here are pics of the engine anyway, fyi.

Edited February 6, 2021 by Checkerboard Comet

[Checkerboard Comet]

One thing I did this past summer was replace the original upper arm rest pieces with later Loyale ones too.......were in better shape.

I had to add in material and rebuild the plastic underneath for the external door side mirrors as well. A fresh coat of blue/silver vinyl paint......and good to go!

[moosens]

Looks like one to keep around. 

No difference from the later of the same class , they just made them all Loyale while the new line emerged. So bumpers are exact other than lighting arrangements, little trim. You found out they mount with zero difficulty I’m sure. 

Edited February 6, 2021 by moosens

[Checkerboard Comet]

The Loyale bumpers were a ton safer, had the foam added in.