therealciviczc Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 What am I doing wrong? I'm losing my mind! I pulled the motor with the torque converter attached to the flex plate because I'm an idiot. I'm trying to get the torque converter back on the transmission and it simply will not go back on. I'm losing it! I tried to do just that for about 4 hours today. I've tried turning it, lifting it, wiggling it, you name it... seriously, for 4 hours. It clicks once and goes almost the entire way in. It looks like it is about 1/8 or 1/4 inch out too far. Is it simply impossible to get it on there with the transmission in the car? Any thoughts are appreciated. How can I tell when it is in far enough? Thanks. If anyone in central Ohio wants to help me figure this out, I'll buy you lunch and a 6 pack. I've done a bunch of engine swaps, but never an auto, so this is the only thing holding me back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealciviczc Posted September 2, 2004 Author Share Posted September 2, 2004 Ok, so more on my problem. The one thing that I can see that could possibly be blocking this. It appears that there is a C clip type of thing that goes around the main shaft going in to the transmission. That appears to be keeping the torque converter shaft from going all of the way back in and over the tabs that stick out on that shaft. Please help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. RX Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 You might think about replacing it with this, http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21113 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avk Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Maybe the oil pump shaft, held by that circlip, slid off the transm. input shaft, but can't say I know what I'm talking about. Maybe this drawing will help: tcpic.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sea#3 Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 therealciviczc Look on AVK's attacment #8 is the clip that holds that tube to the torque converter , make sure that is secure . It should lock into position .The tube drives the oil pump . # 10 is a square cut seal make sure it has not folded over or is pinched (which is highly possible ) Also make sure the input shaft #20 is all the way in When you get everything together the torque converter should almost touch the bell housing ( which i'm sure you already know) it should sit approx 3-5mm away from the bell housing SEA#3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealciviczc Posted September 2, 2004 Author Share Posted September 2, 2004 That picture is a LIFE saver!!! Thanks so much guys. The clip appears to have moved. It looks like it is bent from me trying to push the converter on. When I hold the converter. all that I have is the converter and and the shaft that is actually physically part of the converter. Should the shaft/tube for the pump also be on there? be on the converter when I'm putting it in to the transmission? I know these are dumb questions, but I know I can do this with your help. I guess what I'm saying is that #8, #9, etc are all still inside the transmission. It sounds like I should get #8 and 9 out and attach them to the converter before putting it back in? Thanks so much guys. Seriously, I was at such a loss. I really appreciate the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avk Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Your guess may be correct. Sea#3 is the one with hands-on knowledge, but here's what FSM says about installing the TC when assembling the transmission: ... 11) Insert the input shaft while turning lightly by hand. CAUTION: Be careful not to damage the bushing. 12) Install the torque converter clutch assembly. (1) Install the oil pump shaft to the torque converter clutch. NOTE: Make sure the clip fits securely in its groove. (2) Holding the torque converter clutch assembly by hand, carefully install it to the torque converter clutch case. Be careful not to damage the bushing. Also, to avoid undue contact between the oil pump shaft bushing and stator shaft portion of the oil pump cover. (3) Rotate the shaft lightly by hand to engage the splines securely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealciviczc Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 Your guess may be correct. Sea#3 is the one with hands-on knowledge, but here's what FSM says about installing the TC when assembling the transmission: ... 11) Insert the input shaft while turning lightly by hand. CAUTION: Be careful not to damage the bushing. 12) Install the torque converter clutch assembly. (1) Install the oil pump shaft to the torque converter clutch. NOTE: Make sure the clip fits securely in its groove. (2) Holding the torque converter clutch assembly by hand, carefully install it to the torque converter clutch case. Be careful not to damage the bushing. Also, to avoid undue contact between the oil pump shaft bushing and stator shaft portion of the oil pump cover. (3) Rotate the shaft lightly by hand to engage the splines securely. Do you happen to have the rest of the info that goes along with that? If you would have to type it, don't worry about it, but if it is online somewhere, that would be a big help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avk Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 I can email the text to you, it's the 1.8MB AT service manual. The quote was from the very end of the file, so that's all there is about installing the TC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uniberp Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 therealciviczcLook on AVK's attacment #8 is the clip that holds that tube to the torque converter , make sure that is secure . It should lock into position .The tube drives the oil pump . # 10 is a square cut seal make sure it has not folded over or is pinched (which is highly possible ) Also make sure the input shaft #20 is all the way in When you get everything together the torque converter should almost touch the bell housing ( which i'm sure you already know) it should sit approx 3-5mm away from the bell housing SEA#3 I hate to use language, but that little #10 b**** seal slipped out of the groove when the convertor was moved barely .25 inch, then got pinched and prevented reinsertion. :Flame:The little s**ofa***** is a split ring, of some kind of fiberous graphite material and will not stay in the groove when reinserting the convertor and tube. I have pics of this fiasco, and will post this in the SRM, but wanted to get this out where I could find it. Can someone tell me the actual function of this seal? Does it affect shifting at all? It's a split ring, so it can't be a critical seal. I think it's a lubricated wear ring. It's pretty flimsy now, won't hold tight enough to the shaft to insert. I may glue it into the groove if it's not a critical seal. Am I going to get the standard blank stares from the dealer when I show him? Yes. I'll take the diagram. Any other sources? Someone has to emphasize the imnportance of Keeping the TC FIRMLY PLACED IN THE TRANNY AND NOT MOVED when removing engine or tranny. I even put a zip tie through a bolt hole and a bellhousing hole, but that wasn't enough to prevent this major annoyance. Another day delay. Also, the tc flange should be about .25 incha above the bellhousing lip. Not .5 inch. Not .4 inch. .25 inch or less. Thanks for listening. Mpergielelmhurstil99foresterLauto97legato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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