subaru_styles Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Symtoms: car will only start when it's cold...it will idle fine(sometimes), you can "move" it but you have to keep the revs high and it feels like it has 30hp, real boggy.. other times the idle will fluxuate between 2k and like 400! up and down almost ready to die(which it usually does)...once you turn it off it will not start back up unless you wait like 6 hours..the computer is throwing codes for nearly everything.. Motor: EA82 turbo, spider intake, new HG, and the heads are in awesome shape. new timming belts and timming set correctly, all new seals. RX wirring harness and ECU Actions taken: replaced hot cams with stock cams the fix the variable compression issue. replaced thermo unit tried a stock intake manifold, so rule out bad sensors on the top end Whats left to try: try a different ECU so please throw out some suggestions as this car has made quite a few people pull their hair out... and yes i have lubed the muffler bearings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWX Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 what aboot the blinker fluid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subarutex Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Explain in detail your process of how you did the wiring. I'm betting its the wiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subaru_styles Posted November 23, 2004 Author Share Posted November 23, 2004 i pulled everything out of the RX and put it in the wagon...there was no splicing or matching involved as i use the rx dash wiring, clluster, etc.. as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWX Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 thats what I figured too, but I'd recommend a mega squit/edis to replace it. maybe some wires got broked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subaru_styles Posted November 23, 2004 Author Share Posted November 23, 2004 ooh i forgot to add: tried a different MAF and TPS also have checked the injectors too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86subaru Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 my 88 dl 4wd wagon, kinda did the same thing , i bumped up the timming 2 degrees , from .20 to .22 ,and it is all good, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWet Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Symtoms: ...the computer is throwing codes for nearly everything.. Bad connector/connection? Maybe at engine harness, maybe at ECU? Is it throwing EGO sensor code? (IIRC, that is not on the engine harness.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stngllhm Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 are you 100% sure that the distubuter is not 180 degrees off cuz that is what it sounds like to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddcomp Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 hey styles if your interested i can bring my ms box down and plug it in and see if your car runs then or at least better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWet Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 hey styles if your interested i can bring my ms box down and plug it in and see if your car runs then or at least better I was thinking the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIM Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Checked the map sensor?, Usualy on the firewall or inner fender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_talk Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Hey Styles First suggestion, start at the beginning, assume nothing, check everything… compression, valve timing, ignition timing, fuel pressure, spark… Second idea, follow the lead you have… it will start cold. Cold engines require a richer mixture, maybe you’re running VERY rich and the cold engine can take it, but once warmed a bit it just floods out? Pull a spark plug and look for lots of raw fuel. OR, what’s different about the control system on cold start? You said you replaced the “thermo unit”, is that the auxiliary air valve (AAV) for cold start? Coolant temp sensor? I’ve seen ignition coils that fail after they warm up a bit… Just some thoughts Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Check all wiring. Also, did you swap the RX intake manifold wiring harness over onto the Spyder? If not...that could be the issue. When i did the spyder swap, I took the 86 intake wiring harness and swapped it right over onto the spyder. I also redid the fuel rail, moved the FPR, and did away with the stock and the spyder's idle control. That could be the issue on idle, is the RX ECU does not know how to control the Spyder's idle vavle. Try swapping that. Oh and answer my Q's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_talk Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Checked the map sensor?, Usualy on the firewall or inner fender. Not a bad suggestion, but... Its a EA82T, it has a MAF, no MAP. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIM Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Not a bad suggestion, but... Its a EA82T, it has a MAF, no MAP. Gary what exactly is a maf?, and whats it's purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_talk Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 what exactly is a maf?, and whats it's purpose? Going PM to avoid hijack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naru Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 If you didn`t have "codes for nearly everything", I would suspect low fuel pressure. Recently worked on one w/identical symptoms except codes. When cold there was just enough extra fuel to make it run (poorly). Mega codes suggest a bad ground to the ECU. Perhaps this is related to an incompatible idle control as suggested.I would try it w/the idle control disconnected. A more far out possibility would be AC voltage from bad alternator diodes blowing the ECUs mind.Try it w/the belt off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archemitis Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 mine did this when i had 12 volts going to the o2 sensor. unplug the o2 sensor, see if it helps. then unplug the water temp sensor, for the computer. see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archemitis Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 also, flapper or hotwire? i can drive down the road without my maf hooked up on my flapper system. try this. with it running, kink the return line. if it starts runing good, then its super duper lean, and its most likely a sensor telling the computer someting it shouldnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenaissanceMan Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Every single time I run into this problem on putting in an ea82 or ea81 motor its because I am playing stupid and thought the distributor was rotating the other direction.. so only 2 cylinders were doing anything. Try switching cylinders 3 & 4 on the cap (opposite of eachother) and see if your motor suddenly comes to life.-Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subaru_styles Posted November 23, 2004 Author Share Posted November 23, 2004 the disrtubuter and timing are all normal(it is not 180* off) oddcomp...if you ever in the area i was thinking about trying the MS alltalk- alltiming s are fine...compresssion has been checked, as far as the cold start thing..last month we driving my car all around...turned it off, then it would fire back up no problem..then it went ghey again... WJM-i used a turbo spider manifld and its harnress...it's intake harness has been pined out to prove it's the same as the stock unit.we have also tried the tps from a stock turbo manifold naru- we have tryed unpluggng the maf or tps while it's running. fuel pressure is great..it does run rich. alternator has been replaced with a good unit... i will check the ground on the computer archemitis-allready tried unplugging the O2, not the water temp though...no flapper..i have hot wire maf RenaissanceMan - nope plug wires are fine i hope i got everyhting...that was alot of replies to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88rxsedan Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 have you tried taking sweet to it and giving it a hug? subarus are strange cars.. but really, im thinking you have a bad ground somewhere, which is preventing the car from running right.. check that ground straps on the motor AND the one that goes from the battery to the body.. hell, even the one on the tranny.. theese cars are strange like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWX Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 hell run more grounds just to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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