Flowmastered87GL Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Ok I got the brat running this morning... wouldnt start, Craig tightened the battery terminals, fired up. Need to hook up the choke though. Anyway its experiencing either 1 of 2 problems #1 Clutch pedal freeplay feels about right with cable tightened all the way down (hill holder removed for this) Then tried it.. goes into gear but really doesnt move much... moves like .05 MPH Moves in forward and reverse 4WD and FWD, just REALLY slow like its slipping. IT probably is in fact. #2 IF I mess with the clutch cable I can get it to where it grinds every gear. So I assume the clutch setup (which is new) is good. I cant really seem to get it at a happy medium. Details: 1982 BRAT, 4 speed DR (also an 82) 83-84 clutch disk, pressure plate and flywheel (all new perault parts) and a new genuine subaru 1982 throw out bearing. Clutch cable IS old... though since I can get it to go into gear I figure its not stretched too much. My guesses are I just havn't quite found the sweet spot, OR the 1982 carrier and throw out bearing dont get along well with the 83 and up 4WD clutch setup. Mick I though you had done this on your brat?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richierich Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Did you guys fubar the clutch cable when you were jacking up the tranny? You and Craig should be able to check the clutch cable, by one guy sitting in it and depressing the clutch and the other see the throw of the carrier. Clutch system working fine, but axle is fubar'd? Doesn't sound like it but could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowmastered87GL Posted December 12, 2004 Author Share Posted December 12, 2004 Pretty sure the axles are good as it does the same thing in 4WD and even 4WD lo. Its possible we messed up the cable, though jacking UP the tranny would take load OFF the cable it seems. My worst fear here is that the 82 carrier isnt working well with the newer clutch and I am gonna have to yank the whole unit... I really really hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowmastered87GL Posted December 12, 2004 Author Share Posted December 12, 2004 Craig looked at it... he feels the clutch is just slipping somehow. Either I got the wrong pressure plate (rather unlikely) or the used flywheel I got is really worn down. I wish there was some way to TELL though. We got slack in the throw out arm now so I assume that means the throw out bearing isnt dragging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subiemech85 Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 disconnect completely the clutch cable from the clutch release fork then see what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLCraig Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 I had loosened up the clutch cable until it had about 1/4 inch of play at the release fork in both directions so I doubt that completely disconnecting it will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbrat Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Mick I though you had done this on your brat?? Nope, I tried to but the clutch guy thought the 82 TOB was too small for the 83+ PP. But I believe others have done it.... but that doesn't account for your not moving when in gear. did you have the flywheel turned down? if so, did they do the outer piece as well to keep the depth the the correct specs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowmastered87GL Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 The flywheel came used out of GD's parts cars. I traded some beer for it (which I still have and need to give him) So I am not sure what the tolerances are on it. I yanked the clutch cable and cranked it in reverse... it barely moved. So it looks like we are getting a tow dolly for the u-haul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiftt Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Rear engine seal of engine or the tranny input seal could be dumping oil all over the clutch. You'd probably see an oily mess coming out of the bellhousing if this were the case though. Where are you at in Portland? I may be able to give you a hand if you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowmastered87GL Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 I am in the process of moving, I am located at 48th and SE Haig st (or will be come the 15th) I replaced the rear main seal, so I suppose I coulda messed it up, but I put it in straight and I dont have any leaks that I can tell. Proabably gonna have to yank the engine again and break out some calipers to see if the flywheel is in tolerance. Any help can be compensated with pizza/beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subarubrat Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 I replied to your pm, then saw the thread, one further question... What flywheel did you use? There are different specs, and although the pressure plate will mate, it will be wrong and not apply any pressure of signifigance. Make sure the PP matches the flywheel. If you do not know the year and engine, this could be a pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiftt Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 I think that's right down the street. Is it by Thrifty Auto and Taco Bell on Powell? PM me and maybe we can get together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowmastered87GL Posted December 14, 2004 Author Share Posted December 14, 2004 Yep I almost live right behind thrifty auto. (woo hoo I can walk to get suby parts!) I have abosolutely NO idea where the flywheel came from... supposibly it came of an EA81 that general disorder had, I didnt ask, I just asked him for a bigger flywheel. My fault I guess for not finding out what it came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboobaroo Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Mike, did you make sure that you put the clutch disk in the right direction? There are two different sides, one being marked "flywheel" meaning it goes on the flywheel side. If you put it in backwards, it will do everything you just mentioned. It will slip like none other and will barely move due to it slipping..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowmastered87GL Posted December 14, 2004 Author Share Posted December 14, 2004 I hope its something that simple... though I swear when I put it together that I put it in so the friction material touched up on the flywheel. The other way it would have been metal to metal. I also seem to remember watching the pressure plate slightly change shape as I bolted it on (like it was properly grabbing on the clutch) I guess we wont know til I yank it back out. :-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrench Princess Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I hope you get it figured out soon. It really sucks that you have to deal with this when you and Shannon are getting ready to move. Pretty sure the pressure plate always changes shape a little when you bolt it on. Don't think that's anything unusual. I hope it's something simple too. Good luck on getting it working right. If I lived closer I'd be down there helping ya wrench away on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subiemech85 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 a little bit is allowable, 1/8"? but if it moves a lot, you've got wrong disc or pp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowmastered87GL Posted December 14, 2004 Author Share Posted December 14, 2004 a little bit is allowable, 1/8"?but if it moves a lot, you've got wrong disc or pp I belive I saw the fingers move more than 1/8 of an inch when I bolted it on. I figured that meant it was clamping down on the disk?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbrat Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 I belive I saw the fingers move more than 1/8 of an inch when I bolted it on. I figured that meant it was clamping down on the disk?? when Iput my 5 speed clutch kit in, it moved a bunch. way more than 1/8" and it's working fine.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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