Qman Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Yes, 5sp D/R with lightened EA82 flywheel. XT6 clutch kit. I don't think I have ever smoked this clutch with a full season of RallyX + daily driver duties to boot. To address your problem. The more I think about it it does sound like a pressure plate issue. It holds good at launch but fails/slips at high speed only. Possibly weak springs or fingers. Do you have a return spring on your release fork? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archemitis Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 Yes, 5sp D/R with lightened EA82 flywheel. XT6 clutch kit. I don't think I have ever smoked this clutch with a full season of RallyX + daily driver duties to boot. To address your problem. The more I think about it it does sound like a pressure plate issue. It holds good at launch but fails/slips at high speed only. Possibly weak springs or fingers. Do you have a return spring on your release fork? sweet! constructive conversation =] yes, i didnt have a return spring at first. but i added one, and it does the same thing. my plate measured almost as thick as stock, when i installed it. but the pressure plate could be a little old =/ in your opinion, shouldnt a stock ea81 clutch hold this power if i drive like a normal person? like no full throttle till i get the clutch to hook up, and 4th speed roll ons? i do have the same size diameter clutch as the xt6 i realy like my 4 speed i have right now, and would like to run it for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganM Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 :-\ You believe what your breathing is air don't you? Ever see it? Getting all philosophical :-p I have built two different versions, one is estimated at 150hp. It runs well but provided limited torque at low end. The second is estmated at 12-130hp. Sorry I just do not belive everything everyone says. Its nothing against you or anyone else. I don't doubt you, and others, have built some sick engines. I just dont belive ESTIMATED engine output numbers; I belive dyno print outs and time slips. I look forward to your article. Hopefully it will shed light on missing, key, details of your build ups and give insight as to how these estimations were derived. I'm sure I'll learn a lot from it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 i have an estimated 400000 hp when i pass the ricers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboobaroo Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 i have an estimated 400000 hp when i pass the ricers. thats it? I have at LEAST 2,000,000hp with my center diff in neutral! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myxalplyx Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 No shame here! I bragged in NASIOC 'Proven Bragging Forum' that I the lowest 4wd turbo'd Subaru dyno numbers and no-one could top me. No one stood up so my record stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyruss Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 well I avoided this thread because of the title. just read most of it. oh well that was a bit of wasted time. let me jut state that I have a few good mods on my car. all things that work well together. nothing drastic. just good upgrades. now for my estimated HP.... hmm I just changed seats. so my seat of the pants-o-meter has to be recalibrated. the new tires are more gripy. its cold outside. well guess that gives me enough HP to climb the hills with a fully loaded car and not drop below 70 mph in 5th gear...so. I dont care how much hp I have! woah.. sorry had to get that out of my system. the car does what I want it to do. thats all that maters to me. yes its fun to drive with a bit more power than stock. how much more? dont know. wont guess. It just works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archemitis Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 ya, i wasnt tryin to start a pissing match. i just want to know how guys in my position handle ALOT higher than stock hp. apparently the stock ea81, and ea82 pressure plate are the same part, cept for the center spline count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 going back to the dyno stuff...the mods on the wagon at the time were pretty light. Intake, stock DP with no cat and that was it. Stock boost, 100 octane fuel, NO IC and just a recirc valve with the 9.5:1. 99 AWHP. If I was at the home PC i would show you that I make all my power BEFORE 4000 RPMs. Pleiades(then mine, and now JWX's) RX as you can see what somewhat 'normal' and ran mostly stock, bottomless intake box, and a glass pack with the rest of the exhaust stock...10 PSI. 88 AWHP. Anyhow...i dont think anyone thinks that I am actually getting the HP figures im saying...all I know is that the car is plain fast when the clutch doesnt slip...and if anyone read ydants posts in the Dragon tales thread...u'd see that his WRX (with full TBE and some ECU stuff done, and a deadbolt turbo) and the RX at 9.5~10.0 PSI was close to EVEN on the straights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 well if you guys are getting these figures I can't wait to see the write ups on exactly what you modded and in what order! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 well if you guys are getting these figures I can't wait to see the write ups on exactly what you modded and in what order! After I get on the dyno and printouts and stuff, i think I'll have time sunday before heading back here to do a writeup on everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bratman2 Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Qman has been on this forum since inception and so many people can question his honesty and estimations. Ram engines is building 140hp EA81s with 100% reliabilty for the airplane crowd on demand. I raced 6 cylinders in the 70's and up through the 80's and beat more V8s than i lost to in the 1/4 mile with modified sixes. I don't doubt it for a minute, even if he was a horse or three off. He has probably forgotten as much as some know about old Subs. Horsepower is pretty easy you just have to have bucks to get it, air and fuel in the right combinations. More hp needs more air and fuel in the right combinations. Speed will come with the right gears and weight ratios. Simple like basic math on older engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qman Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 ya, i wasnt tryin to start a pissing match. i just want to know how guys in my position handle ALOT higher than stock hp. apparently the stock ea81, and ea82 pressure plate are the same part, cept for the center spline count. The clutch discs should be the same thickness. As noted the splines are different. The pressure plates are the same diameter but not the same depth. You can have you EA81 flywheel cut to EA82 specs and run an EA82 pressure plate with an EA81 disc. The only problem is going to be the throw out bearing. I am not 100% sure if you can use the EA81 TO with the EA82 PP. Your 4sp works well but having a 5sp behind it is SO much better and not that big of a deal to install. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qman Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Qman has been on this forum since inception and so many people can question his honesty and estimations. Ram engines is building 140hp EA81s with 100% reliabilty for the airplane crowd on demand. I raced 6 cylinders in the 70's and up through the 80's and beat more V8s than i lost to in the 1/4 mile with modified sixes. I don't doubt it for a minute, even if he was a horse or three off. He has probably forgotten as much as some know about old Subs. Horsepower is pretty easy you just have to have bucks to get it, air and fuel in the right combinations. More hp needs more air and fuel in the right combinations. Speed will come with the right gears and weight ratios. Simple like basic math on older engines. I'll anticipate my pink slip after that excellent vote of confidence. But seriously. Just being on a forum for a long time does not make me infallable(sp). It's a good thing to question things just do be pissy about it when you do. That's how things progess. If we always excepted things we wouldn't have lifted 'roos and EJ conversions and even lowered Brats.(no offense but that one still makes me shudder) I hope to learn one new thing everyday. It helps keep you honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 ..... If we always accepted things we wouldn't have lifted 'roos and EJ.....QUOTE] fixed that for ya. I agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboobaroo Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 I'll anticipate my pink slip after that excellent vote of confidence. But seriously. Just being on a forum for a long time does not make me infallable(sp). It's a good thing to question things just do be pissy about it when you do. That's how things progess. If we always excepted things we wouldn't have lifted 'roos and EJ conversions and even lowered Brats.(no offense but that one still makes me shudder) I hope to learn one new thing everyday. It helps keep you honest. aww come on. Lowered Brats are pimpin! Look at garner's Brat. His is lowered too but since his has the EA82T in it, it MUST make it cooler then mine which had a JDM high compression EA71 in it:-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archemitis Posted January 13, 2005 Author Share Posted January 13, 2005 aww come on. Lowered Brats are pimpin! Look at garner's Brat. His is lowered too but since his has the EA82T in it, it MUST make it cooler then mine which had a JDM high compression EA71 in it:-\ yar, hp makes it cool! obviously. the ea81 to bearing doesnt fit on the spring fingers of the xt6/ea82 pp. im leavin for texas on wednesday in this vehicle, and its currently -6 and its supposed to get down to -30 or some crazy stuffs so i cant go pull me a 5 speed atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganM Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Qman has been on this forum since inception and so many people can question his honesty and estimations. Ram engines is building 140hp EA81s with 100% reliabilty for the airplane crowd on demand. I raced 6 cylinders in the 70's and up through the 80's and beat more V8s than i lost to in the 1/4 mile with modified sixes. I don't doubt it for a minute, even if he was a horse or three off. He has probably forgotten as much as some know about old Subs. Horsepower is pretty easy you just have to have bucks to get it, air and fuel in the right combinations. More hp needs more air and fuel in the right combinations. Speed will come with the right gears and weight ratios. Simple like basic math on older engines. Nobody is questioning anyone's honesty here. I have great respect for charter members (wow I am one too =P) However I can disbelive an esstimated number and still belive in the person making the esstimations. I never said he was lieing about it or that his esstimations were dishonest. I'm sure he honestly belives them to be accurate and thats great. I can disagree and with out disrespect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archemitis Posted January 13, 2005 Author Share Posted January 13, 2005 i figured it out, with lots of help from this guy in north carolina. the TO bearing i need to make it all fit together is from a nissan pickup, from the 80s. stage 3 clutch on the way =]... stage 3 for an xt6 that is:slobber: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWX Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 why not just get the stage 3 for the EA81? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbrat Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 i figured it out, with lots of help from this guy in north carolina. the TO bearing i need to make it all fit together is from a nissan pickup, from the 80s. stage 3 clutch on the way =]... stage 3 for an xt6 that is:slobber: don't you need to use a ea81 clutch for the proper spline count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archemitis Posted January 13, 2005 Author Share Posted January 13, 2005 thats the cool thing, this is a stage three for the xt6, with the small hole for my 4 speed tranny. the plate is ceramic/kevlar, and the PP is heavier than a stock xt6 spring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archemitis Posted January 13, 2005 Author Share Posted January 13, 2005 why not just get the stage 3 for the EA81? why, when i can run an xt6 flywheel now. with more holding power than i will ever need... till i turbo it =] the xt6 flywheel weighs 2 lbs less than the ea81 flywheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWX Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 h so you are going to use the XT6 flywheel and PP with the 81 disk? that seems ok, I thought you were going to use the full XT6 setup. never mind then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbrat Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 h so you are going to use the XT6 flywheel and PP with the 81 disk? that seems ok, I thought you were going to use the full XT6 setup. never mind then sounds like it's a XT6 spec clutch disc (material/spring wise) but with the smaller spline/hole that the 4 speed uses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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