Lukas Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 This is a Toyota Tercel 4WD Station Wagon. We had completely the same vehicle here in Austria in the early 80s. Good cars, very reliable and dependable, but slow and underpowered. L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. RX Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 I might be crazy, but that looks like a tercel wagon.....Hey whats an RX 2? post 91 Rx? The RX2s were the RX's the we got in the USA, they were known as the second generation RXs in Japan. Here is a shot of the 87 Subaru Rally team that was prepared by the group that would later be known as STi. http://www.corkysrocks.net/020615_rx_rally_squad_1987.jpg And here is a photo of the first gen RX at the Safari Rally in Africa http://www.corkysrocks.net/1stRX.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do It Sidewayz Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 man....why didn't they Prep Sedans??? They are stiffer, lighter, and have better balance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted January 19, 2005 Author Share Posted January 19, 2005 man....why didn't they Prep Sedans??? They are stiffer, lighter, and have better balance because the 3-doors 'look racier'. I get ALOT, as in TONS, more attention with the RX 3door than I EVER got with the wagon...except when the wagon was all decaled and oud as hell...but still the RX captures all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubaruJunkie Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Styles... look at the turn signals on those Euro RX's and then compare them to all our EA82 bumpers. I dont think any of our bumpers have turn signals like that. I want -Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. RX Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 man....why didn't they Prep Sedans??? They are stiffer, lighter, and have better balanceStiffer?? two large holes in the side versus one, lighter??? two more doors with window and latching mechanism in them, better balance??? how do you figure, they both have the same wheel base and track, what make the sedan better balanced??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austin Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Did you see that steering wheel (hell and the interior too??) Think that's wild? Check out this stock steering wheel Couple that with the control pods that come out from the column on stalks, the digital dash, and the joystick type shifter and it becomes pretty clear what Subaru was trying to capture with the interior styling of the wedge-mobile. The exterior was equally extreme and contributed to its having the same drag coefficient as a 2005 Z06 Corvette... in 1985!!! :cool: A lot of people hate the "L" shaped wheel, but I like it for its "WTF?!" factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do It Sidewayz Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Stiffer?? two large holes in the side versus one, lighter??? two more doors with window and latching mechanism in them, better balance??? how do you figure, they both have the same wheel base and track, what make the sedan better balanced??? The Sedans are alot stiffer in the rear because of the rear parcell shelf and all the metal pieces back there. The coupe glass weighs a TON! and the rear end flexes a PILE!!!! If you look up the curb weights the sedans are like 50 lbs lighter than the coupes. And when pushed hard. the Sedans just handle better..i can't explain it. they just do! And you guys can have all the looks you want...I'll take the lighter Sedan anyday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted January 19, 2005 Author Share Posted January 19, 2005 ive noticed the hatch creaked around quite a bit on the dragon and skyway runs at the NASIOC Dragon meet... Still, it handles better than the wagon with the exact same setup on it. *shrug* Ive never owned a sedan....YET. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. RX Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 The Sedans are alot stiffer in the rear because of the rear parcell shelf and all the metal pieces back there. The coupe glass weighs a TON! and the rear end flexes a PILE!!!! If you look up the curb weights the sedans are like 50 lbs lighter than the coupes. And when pushed hard. the Sedans just handle better..i can't explain it. they just do! And you guys can have all the looks you want...I'll take the lighter Sedan anyday Gee, I wouldn't say the rear glass weighs a ton, I can lift it, in fact I have to keep moving one around from time to time (a spare one I have laying around), I have also lifted sedan doors, and I'd say the two sedan doors weigh more then the rear glass. What good is a piece of metal across the rear when the whole frame flexes more, anything you gain from that is lost in body twist. Besides, if you are going to race the coupe, you'd brace that anyway. I forgot to check the weights last night, but 50 pounds can be made up in just the weight of the driver, and those weights are for a production car, if you were racing them, a lot of production weight is removed. I wouldn't be surprized if the rear glass on the Subaru rally cars wasn't glass at all, but plexiglass. Since I had had and driven hard both a RX 3dr and a GL-10 turbo sedan with RX suspension, I would say, in my opinion the coupe handles much better. I think Subaru felt the same way or they wouldn't have changed for the sedan (85 and 86) to the coupe (87 to 89). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myxalplyx Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Think that's wild? Check out this stock steering wheel Couple that with the control pods that come out from the column on stalks, the digital dash, and the joystick type shifter and it becomes pretty clear what Subaru was trying to capture with the interior styling of the wedge-mobile. The exterior was equally extreme and contributed to its having the same drag coefficient as a 2005 Z06 Corvette... in 1985!!! :cool: A lot of people hate the "L" shaped wheel, but I like it for its "WTF?!" factor. Hey Austin, I'm right there with you on this one bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carfreak85 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 The Sedans are alot stiffer in the rear because of the rear parcell shelf and all the metal pieces back there. The coupe glass weighs a TON! and the rear end flexes a PILE!!!! If you look up the curb weights the sedans are like 50 lbs lighter than the coupes. And when pushed hard. the Sedans just handle better..i can't explain it. they just do! And you guys can have all the looks you want...I'll take the lighter Sedan anyday I don't want to second guess anyone, but I agree for all the same reasons. the sedan is a "3 Box" structure while the coupe is a "2 Box" structure. By that I mean that you have the hood and fenders making a box, the cabin making a box and in the case of the sedan, the trunk makes a box. Coupes have a HUGE hole in the back of the cabin that makes them very prone to twisting. Just think about it for a moment. Glass has practically no structural integridy. A good example is cardboard box that is fully closed up is much stronger than one with one end open. We talked at length about this in a few of my auto classes over the years. Yes you can add bracing, but if you start with an ultimatly stiffer design and add the same amount of bracing, the sedan will still be stiffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do It Sidewayz Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 i'll have to go take some pictures of the cage i put in my 85 Rx SEDAN rally car... there's no way...even by putting in the same amoutn of cage and bracing i did that you would have a stiffer coupe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. RX Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 I don't want to second guess anyone, but I agree for all the same reasons. the sedan is a "3 Box" structure while the coupe is a "2 Box" structure. By that I mean that you have the hood and fenders making a box, the cabin making a box and in the case of the sedan, the trunk makes a box. Coupes have a HUGE hole in the back of the cabin that makes them very prone to twisting. Just think about it for a moment. Glass has practically no structural integridy. A good example is cardboard box that is fully closed up is much stronger than one with one end open. We talked at length about this in a few of my auto classes over the years. Yes you can add bracing, but if you start with an ultimatly stiffer design and add the same amount of bracing, the sedan will still be stiffer.Don't tell me Dr. Seal told you that. What have you been smokin?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWX Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 why would the coupe be stiffer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
americanyouth Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 I still like the GC8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted January 20, 2005 Author Share Posted January 20, 2005 Ya'll listen here...the 22B is the stiffest car subaru ever ****ted out of the factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. RX Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 I still like the GC8. Hate to sink you boat, but a GC8 is the designation for a WRX, both 4 and 2 dr models, the 2 dr would be GC8X2, and the 4 dr GC8X4, with the X being the year/series designator. For example a 97 WRX STi Type R would have a code of GC8D2. In the USA 2 drs have the model code of GM and are usually GM6s, in the USA the code GC is for the 4 dr model. If you have a RS, check it out, I'll bet the code is GM6.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. RX Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 why would the coupe be stiffer?Gee, maybe because there are less large holes in the side, maybe because the roof and side pillers are beefier to support the rear hatch actting almost like a roll bar. I really could tell, I just know from personal experience that teh coupe feels stiffer. Now if someone what to do a structural analysis on the two body styles, by all means do it. But don't go into the test with a bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted January 20, 2005 Author Share Posted January 20, 2005 got some vins to back that up DR....? I keep hearing GC8 is sedan only and GM8 is coupe only....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerFahrer Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Think that's wild? Check out this stock steering wheel Couple that with the control pods that come out from the column on stalks, the digital dash, and the joystick type shifter and it becomes pretty clear what Subaru was trying to capture with the interior styling of the wedge-mobile. The exterior was equally extreme and contributed to its having the same drag coefficient as a 2005 Z06 Corvette... in 1985!!! :cool: A lot of people hate the "L" shaped wheel, but I like it for its "WTF?!" factor. I have yet to drive a car with a more perfect steering wheel than my XT. Regardless of what people think it looks like, it works so well and feels so good I wouldn't dare change it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. RX Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 got some vins to back that up DR....? I keep hearing GC8 is sedan only and GM8 is coupe only....?Gee, my 96 Imreza coupe is a GM6, the 8 is usually the the code for the WRX world wide. If you see an Impreza, ask the owner if you can check the code. Let me know what you come up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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