WJM Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 my point(s) being that the EA82T RX is a competitive and fast car in SM locally (and would have been at this last National Tour event as well...it runs as fast as the RS on med. size courses, and on the larger ones, is a tad faster...so, 5th~6th i would have placed), those enignes CAN make a ton of power in a not too far from stock form, there ARE aftermarket items for the cars, and the transmission can take 4 wheel Race tire launches on a hot stickey surface no problem. There are still MANY areas to make the car even faster....front-center LSD, MS+DIS, ball bearing VNT turbo, Cometic multi-layer metal head gaskets....etc.... But....is it time to move to EJ? EJ into Leone? the EJ calls stronger than ever before....specifically, an EJ251/EJ253...an RS/Forester/Legacy Phase 2 SOHC EJ25.... What also calls....is Impreza....RS or L with EJ22E in it....but then again, the Forester is now classed for Solo2...it calls as well....... What sucks is I JUST landed REAL sponsorship with the RX...suspension goodies... Well...off to price out and gather all the items I will need for this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85Sub4WD Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 Stick with the EA82T - the EJ-series is argueably a better engine, but the EA was designed for the car, and is MUCH lighter - lighter engine = better handeling - you were doing great until the head gasket blew - and that appears to be more mileage than abuse, so you still haven't really reached the limits of the engine's design - and putting something as heavy as an EJ series engine in your car would not help you corner - old school is the way to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted April 11, 2005 Author Share Posted April 11, 2005 i know ive not gotten anywhere close to maxing out the engine. After looking at all the headgaskets...the EA82 and EARLY EJ gaskets ARE the weak link.... However, after lifting and moving around EA vs EJ engines...the EJ would ony be a 50lb gain. Loss of coolness of turbo power, severe gain in reliability, and only a small loss in power. I can get an EJ22T, complete, for $600.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northguy Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 To answer the question, yes, you have proved your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85Sub4WD Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 However, after lifting and moving around EA vs EJ engines...the EJ would ony be a 50lb gain. Loss of coolness of turbo power, severe gain in reliability, and only a small loss in power. I can get an EJ22T, complete, for $600.... I thought the weight difference was much more ... but then I was moving the EJ up a STEEP hill (near Sparta). I can see why it would be appealing, especially if the weight difference is not all that great ... but then again, the EA82 is such a good engine - copper headgaskets?? - you decide what you want to do!! - you have many good options and yes, you have proven your point - old school rocks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWX Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 I have 5 letters for you EJ257 or MS&EDIS, studs, metal headgaskets, center fuel disturbution with better fuel injectors, and better turbo. but I like the first one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted April 11, 2005 Author Share Posted April 11, 2005 YOU of all people should NOT be telling me to go EJ.... IF...IF...*IF*...i go to EJ...it will be an NA setup, EJ25x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do It Sidewayz Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 dude...the EJ's too too heavy.. with the EA's the car is perfect balanced. another 50-100 lbs. for the amount of time an effort you would spend on an EJ....you could redo an EA REALLY well. think about it. EJ motor....2.5 or 2.2....N/A or Turbo...once you get the motor and all the other parts...you looking at atleast 500 bucks. youre gonna need the tranny and stuff also....i'm not sure how the strong the EA trannys are.....we completely stripped 2nd gear in one this winter....on ice ?!?! No matter which way you strike it your going to want to "redo" the EJ...if your N/A your talking about cams, pistons, shaving heads, blah blah blah. if turbo your going ot want to ATLEAST freshen it....this could be a 200-1000. your up to probably in the best case over 1000 bucks. and i haven't talked about engine management. I figure engine management would be a wash...because if you go stand alone you'd prolly be doing it on the EA anyways.....if your going with stock wiring harness on the EJ, then you'll prolly need a donor car. Now...for the money you'd spend on a proper EJ set-up....you could build an awesome EA. shave the head down and giver some more compression. bigger turbo Megasquirt head work copper gaskets. I;ve blown up more of these engines than i can count...but we keep putting them together...the reason is because when they run...the cars are awesome, plain and simple...if you put an EJ in that thing it will NEVER handle the same again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted April 11, 2005 Author Share Posted April 11, 2005 Damn. you talk sense. This is what I was preaching before saturday morning. I have renewed faith. SM prepare to suck vacuum. dude...the EJ's too too heavy.. with the EA's the car is perfect balanced. another 50-100 lbs. for the amount of time an effort you would spend on an EJ....you could redo an EA REALLY well. think about it. EJ motor....2.5 or 2.2....N/A or Turbo...once you get the motor and all the other parts...you looking at atleast 500 bucks. youre gonna need the tranny and stuff also....i'm not sure how the strong the EA trannys are.....we completely stripped 2nd gear in one this winter....on ice ?!?! No matter which way you strike it your going to want to "redo" the EJ...if your N/A your talking about cams, pistons, shaving heads, blah blah blah. if turbo your going ot want to ATLEAST freshen it....this could be a 200-1000. your up to probably in the best case over 1000 bucks. and i haven't talked about engine management. I figure engine management would be a wash...because if you go stand alone you'd prolly be doing it on the EA anyways.....if your going with stock wiring harness on the EJ, then you'll prolly need a donor car. Now...for the money you'd spend on a proper EJ set-up....you could build an awesome EA. shave the head down and giver some more compression. bigger turbo Megasquirt head work copper gaskets. I;ve blown up more of these engines than i can count...but we keep putting them together...the reason is because when they run...the cars are awesome, plain and simple...if you put an EJ in that thing it will NEVER handle the same again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do It Sidewayz Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 while your at it...find a constant supply of turbos... then giver with some Anti-lag. Watch those auto-x guys *************** their pants when you flick the ALS button... but yeah dude...with proper engine management. you can run almost infinate boost, and compression.. as long as you have no ping and your AFR's and EGT's are right. The AFR's and EGT's are what burn up these motors. #1 and #3 run lean because of the fuel rail design. Just do some thinking, and plan everything out. Don't be affraid to try and make your own ideas....i made my own equal length fuel rails...they cost me $30 bucks in Material (CDN DOLLARS)...that included the Fuel injection fuel line which is like 5 bucks a foot....they work really well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calebz Posted April 11, 2005 Share Posted April 11, 2005 i made my own equal length fuel rails...they cost me $30 bucks in Material (CDN DOLLARS)...that included the Fuel injection fuel line which is like 5 bucks a foot....they work really well... More info please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted April 11, 2005 Author Share Posted April 11, 2005 I made one. Pics when I find them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted April 12, 2005 Author Share Posted April 12, 2005 Like so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailgatewagon Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 here is what i say (not worth much but hay ) ea82t, build it with all the goodys. studs, port & polish, turbo, ect ect ect then only turn it up to 12lbs you should then have a car that is fast and reliable......... i know the stockers are good for decent power but there isnothing like building amotor to run 200hp and then run it at 150 it will last forever and be fast.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodsWagon Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Why not go with aftermarket engine management? It would take care of the fuel cut gremlin, get your air fuel mix where you want it, and get the reliabiltiy of the engine up a lot. The money invested in an aftermarket system would pay off in the times you wouldn't have to swap toasted engines out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted April 12, 2005 Author Share Posted April 12, 2005 damnit....I'll get MSDIS when I get the DIS part working correctly...and the MS part will be after that. The car makes 150~160 HP on STOCK boost as it is. 12 PSI yeilds ~190 hp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torxxx Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 Whats the highest boost you ran on that motor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted April 12, 2005 Author Share Posted April 12, 2005 15.5 psi. rarely did the boost controller spike to 16. MOST of the time whenever the boost was up, it was 13~14. However, 80% of the time it was at stock levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torxxx Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 damn. I woulda liked to see dyno numbers @ 20 Psi+ you woulda gotten into 265+hp at the crank I think. Yes you did prove a good point. I want a turbo now, and a lot of money to build a wicked ice racin rig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorManzImpreza Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 So Will, Your telling me I should really get cracking on the ea82T I have sitting in my back veranda then? I still can't believe I found one down here.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted April 12, 2005 Author Share Posted April 12, 2005 yes. thats it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quidam Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 my point(s) being that the EA82T RX is a competitive and fast car in SM locally (and would have been at this last National Tour event as well...it runs as fast as the RS on med. size courses, and on the larger ones, is a tad faster...so, 5th~6th i would have placed), those enignes CAN make a ton of power in a not too far from stock form, there ARE aftermarket items for the cars, and the transmission can take 4 wheel Race tire launches on a hot stickey surface no problem. There are still MANY areas to make the car even faster....front-center LSD, MS+DIS, ball bearing VNT turbo, Cometic multi-layer metal head gaskets....etc.... But....is it time to move to EJ? EJ into Leone? the EJ calls stronger than ever before....specifically, an EJ251/EJ253...an RS/Forester/Legacy Phase 2 SOHC EJ25.... What also calls....is Impreza....RS or L with EJ22E in it....but then again, the Forester is now classed for Solo2...it calls as well....... What sucks is I JUST landed REAL sponsorship with the RX...suspension goodies... Well...off to price out and gather all the items I will need for this weekend. Just a thought here. A street/strip or a dedicated race car has the potential to expire on you at any given time. A whole different world than a dedicated daily driver. Since we're not talking a 20 K engine here, my preference is to have a nearly identical replacement ready to drop in. That goes for the turbo,trans,and rear diff as well. If you want to stay up and running with a minimum of down time. But I'd say you've considered that. Do it if you can swing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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