Phizinza Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 Just say when I get my XT (most likly to be a EA82T) What are my chances of fitting a EG33 in? Will I have to find a new place for the radiator? Will I need to widen the engine bay? How easy is it to fix a EG33 to a EJ AWD trans? On another note, should I just retrofit the whole car with WRX suspension? Or keep the EA driveshafts and suspension? See, I was thinking, there isn't any difference between a XT and a XT6 (?) So surly if a ER27 fits in a EG33 would with out moving the radiator. Am I wrong on this? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subyrally Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 anything is possible with enough "drink" a welder, and a big hammer. and money doesnt hurt either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phizinza Posted August 27, 2005 Author Share Posted August 27, 2005 Thats all well and good to say. But I know you can make anything fit in anything. Would someone be able to answer my questions more definatively? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLCraig Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 I think the EG33 is just too long, if you compair the engine compartment of the XT vs XT6 you'll see how subaru had to modify the core support and few other items just the make the ER27 fit. If you really want a H6 you may want to look at the EZ30, it's not that much bigger then a EJ25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam N.D.J. Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 Dpends a lot on the ability of the person doing the swap. I think that with a little time and some measureing, it could prolly be done pretty easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subarubrat Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 As the only person I am aware of who actually put an EG33 into an XT, I will say this, Adam is right, it depends on the person doing the swap as to what difficult is. I can tell you that an EG33 will fit mated to a 5spd and there is still room left over to fit two up-pipes, two turbos, two ICs and two downpipes. So the short answer to your question is YES, it will fit. Whether or not it is easy to fit depends on your level of experience and resources (tools, fabrication, money etc.). I would not reccomend this as a first time engine swap because the fitment and routing are complicated by the tight fit. If you have never done a swap before you are much better off buying a JDM WRX motor and using a easy to hook up pre programed LINK ecu. Next up the ladder would be a WRX front clip, a little more involved in wiring but an easy fit. The EG33 is a great deal more difficult. If you have never done a swap before I would suggest going a bit simpler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phizinza Posted August 28, 2005 Author Share Posted August 28, 2005 Alrighty. That's more like it. This car would be my project car so it can take a while to do. But, now coming to think about it, maybe I should pick a smaller motor just for waight reasons. My plan is to build a rally XT. I would like 250 to 300hp and much more NM's. So maybe a halfcut WRX would be the choice. So, I'm guessing I should upgrade the suspension. But should I just use WRX (or WRX aftermarket) or standard XT (or aftermarket XT) or should I go all out and weld up support for real rally suspension? I will also be installing a rollcage. Not sure I'f I will be the one welding it up as you can't race legally here in australia unless your rollcage passes CAMS (the australian racing commity) I'm just pretending that the budget is bottomless at the moment to get an idea of what to do. And, yes, I am suicidel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailgatewagon Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 i did some meaureing on my 89 gl 10 and my svx. dont have the measurements handy but when the cars were side by side the front of the motor would have been into the front bumper. width would be a squease but duable. its just way long i bet you could do it easyer if you made it a rear wheel drive.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phizinza Posted August 28, 2005 Author Share Posted August 28, 2005 And whats the point in using a subaru as a rally car if its only RWD? :-\ Next question is... How much power can a 5spd EA82 trans take? I'm thinking the WRX AWD trans is a must have with over 250hp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subarubrat Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Definatly go with the EJ series tranny. The Ea series held up in my BRAT for almost 5k miles, on some pretty tough use, but ultimatly was not up to the job at 250Hp and the 33x16 in. tires. Now, Your rally car would not run that kind of tires but the wheel spin and grip (mainly alternating between them) would hammer it allot as well. Your better off going with the EJ series it will work nicely at 240Hp and with all the nice gear sets out there and clutch options your good as far as your will ever go with your engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsSVX Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 it has been done now... Huck swapped an EG33 into his XT and its a pretty bad lil machine from what I have heard Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloyale Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 As far as suspension, There is a big difference between the XT(4) VS. XT6. The XT shared all it's running gear with the EA82 wgn/sdn/cp. So your suspension and wheel choices would be limited. And probably not up to the task of supporting the 6cyl. (Loyale2.7 solved this by using Tempo front springs). Find an XT6 to start with if your're gonna do it. You'd have to find one to scavenge 5 lug swap parts from anyhow. I like the Idea of using the EZ30. readily available and cheaper for a whole clip as opposed to the expensive, rare, and heavy SVX motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phizinza Posted April 24, 2007 Author Share Posted April 24, 2007 As far as suspension, There is a big difference between the XT(4) VS. XT6. The XT shared all it's running gear with the EA82 wgn/sdn/cp. So your suspension and wheel choices would be limited. And probably not up to the task of supporting the 6cyl. (Loyale2.7 solved this by using Tempo front springs). Find an XT6 to start with if your're gonna do it. You'd have to find one to scavenge 5 lug swap parts from anyhow. I like the Idea of using the EZ30. readily available and cheaper for a whole clip as opposed to the expensive, rare, and heavy SVX motor. I was thinking, hey I want to do that looking at the title of this thread, then realised it's one of mine from my younger self....... What do they say? HOLY OLD THREAD BATMAN!!! I have thought on this more jsut this year and I reckon I would use full WRX suspension and trans. As for finding an XT6 in Australia... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi subbie Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 i thought of doing that with my vortex but i would have had 2 have the front body shell bit modifidyed 2 make room for the svx engine. better still i mite do it 2 my other alcyone somestage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffast Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Just say when I get my XT (most likly to be a EA82T) What are my chances of fitting a EG33 in? Will I have to find a new place for the radiator? Will I need to widen the engine bay? How easy is it to fix a EG33 to a EJ AWD trans? On another note, should I just retrofit the whole car with WRX suspension? Or keep the EA driveshafts and suspension? See, I was thinking, there isn't any difference between a XT and a XT6 (?) So surly if a ER27 fits in a EG33 would with out moving the radiator. Am I wrong on this? Thanks. hope i'm ther first to post this but been doneedit:nuts, sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumby Boy Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Hay man i know this is an old thread but if it was going to be a rally car you could move the motor back through the fire wall with out much difficulty, but geting it engineered will be a *************** for rwc, but you would have a bit better weight distribution for that heavy motor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phizinza Posted April 27, 2007 Author Share Posted April 27, 2007 Hay man i know this is an old thread but if it was going to be a rally car you could move the motor back through the fire wall with out much difficulty, but geting it engineered will be a *************** for rwc, but you would have a bit better weight distribution for that heavy motor What about the front driveshafts? Maybe setup something like nissan did in the GTR and have sump mounted diff? In my mind theres no point to a RWD subie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumby Boy Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 yea tru the shafts would have to be on a fair angle foward to met up with the hub, hmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbobdole Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 BTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phizinza Posted April 27, 2007 Author Share Posted April 27, 2007 BTW Was an XT6, or XT4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi subbie Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Was an XT6, or XT4? its an xt6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phizinza Posted April 27, 2007 Author Share Posted April 27, 2007 yeah see.. We don't get XT6's here in Australia. I haven't even heard of an imported one.. So I would start on a XT4 base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi subbie Posted April 28, 2007 Share Posted April 28, 2007 yeah see.. We don't get XT6's here in Australia. I haven't even heard of an imported one.. So I would start on a XT4 base. i beleave there are 4 xt6s in Australia. the front radiotor suports mite have to be modifidyed aye to make room like an xt6 has. see on pic below Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted April 28, 2007 Share Posted April 28, 2007 the later model XT's have a different nose...similar to the XT6 and may offer more room. 1987.5 and up i believe. you can tell it's an XT6 first by the headlight washers in the bumper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joostvdw Posted April 28, 2007 Share Posted April 28, 2007 the later model XT's have a different nose...similar to the XT6 and may offer more room. 1987.5 and up i believe. you can tell it's an XT6 first by the headlight washers in the bumper. nope, the 87,5 and higher don't have more room, they share the bumper (and mine also has the headlight washers) but they still have the straight XT4 rad support you definately need to modify it liek the XT6 one, huck has proven that a EG33 WILL fit in a XT6 without extensive modding of the frame and/or body (it will be a tight fit though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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