BlindSight Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 here is what i have so far...and a couple of future plan pics (red box on the inside of the hood is where I will probably cut it out.) any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry DeMoss Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Looks nice.I like the subaru air filter.What did you get the hoodscoop from?I like that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fj401968 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I'm not sure I understand the point. Tracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fj401968 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I think it's from a place called Photoshop. Tracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSight Posted November 8, 2005 Author Share Posted November 8, 2005 dont understand what point? It will end up basically being somewhat of a short ram air intake...get a whole lot more air into the system...eventually get a weber and good exhaust and hopefully a nice little boost in power...also a nice spot to help keep water and such out...not much of a car swimmer myself...dont plan on going up to the windows or anything so figure this will do a nice job. already had the PVC, fittings were $2 and got the nifty filter for $14...so after I sand and paint it I think it will look pretty good.... and might just possibly eventually help produce a bit more power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuBrat84 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Where did you get that filter for $14?? i want one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
75subie Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 man, tracy is being a little harsh for a noob i think it looks pretty sharp, thats the idea i had for the brat, so i may have to copy you:brow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fj401968 Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 What you've setup isn't really going to push any more air down the throat. Mostly it just displaces your spare tire. The Weber will help if you want to spend the money... but, (correct me if I'm wrong) you'll no longer use the stock air filter housing if you get a Weber so the setup will need to be reworked. No offense intended but it seems on par with coffee can muffler tips and rear spoiler wings on Ford Escorts. If you really want that filter because you like how it looks I'd at least want to modify the intake such that the stock air filter housing can be eliminated from the mix. Tracy dont understand what point? It will end up basically being somewhat of a short ram air intake...get a whole lot more air into the system...eventually get a weber and good exhaust and hopefully a nice little boost in power...also a nice spot to help keep water and such out...not much of a car swimmer myself...dont plan on going up to the windows or anything so figure this will do a nice job. already had the PVC, fittings were $2 and got the nifty filter for $14...so after I sand and paint it I think it will look pretty good.... and might just possibly eventually help produce a bit more power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fj401968 Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 I'm sorry if my tone sounded harsh. This medium isn't always conducive to one's tone even with all the cool emoticons. I have real soft spot for Soobies of all generations. My first Soobie was a 2 stroke Subaru 350 that was given to my friend and I by an old miner from Stanley Idaho. It was really cool. I wish I still had it even though we never got it on the road. On the other end of the spectrum, a WRX would be a cool Subaru to own! I like the utilitarian aspect of the Brats and GL series Soobs. One thing for sure though, they are pretty gutless. Relatively speaking so is my '68 Landcruiser. If you did everything possible to trick out an EA engine it would still be amazing if you could get an EA series motor to push the HP that my '90, beat up, stock, Legacy will. An EA soob shines in completely different ways though. If a Weber were priced right and would help give my GL some oomph and additional low end torque, I'd be all over it. I've been drooling about getting a Weber carb for my Landcruiser for years. That said, I just wasn't personally keen on losing the functionality of the spare tire location in exchange for nothing more than a cool ricey looking air filter on some plumbing pipe connected to the stock air filter housing. So, I don't understand the point.... just being painfully honest. I'm completely open to the idea that things I'd like to do to my Subaru would strike some of you the same way. We are all different and that's okay. I'm not trying to be rude or harsh. If I were to post a pic of something I'm toying with, I'd want REAL feedback even if it meant some of you shaking your head and saying.... 'Mmmmm, I don't think so....' Tracy man, tracy is being a little harsh for a noob i think it looks pretty sharp, thats the idea i had for the brat, so i may have to copy you:brow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooptyGL Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 dont understand what point? It will end up basically being somewhat of a short ram air intake...get a whole lot more air into the system...eventually get a weber and good exhaust and hopefully a nice little boost in power...also a nice spot to help keep water and such out...not much of a car swimmer myself...dont plan on going up to the windows or anything so figure this will do a nice job. already had the PVC, fittings were $2 and got the nifty filter for $14...so after I sand and paint it I think it will look pretty good.... and might just possibly eventually help produce a bit more power. how does it sound?!?!?! <---the engine not the pipes. and my weber doesnt really give a 'boost' in power at all. it has lost a great majority of low end power since it has been on but once i got a header and a pipe my midrange got real peppy too. a well tuned hitachi should get you better all around performance...with exception to fifth gear...but the weber will get you better hwy mileage. btw where did you get that nifty filter...i wouldn't mind one. neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fj401968 Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 One last thing... if the stock air cleaner has been removed and you are just using the housing as an easy connection to your aftermarket filter, you are running the risk of introducing unfiltered air in several places such as the air stove tube and lose connections where PCV tubing runs into the housing. Again, if you want to use that filter, my vote would be to eliminate the stock filter housing. On the other hand, if you just want to try and push more air down the throat, why not keep the stock filter in place and just relocate the intake to your hood scoop... no extra filter needed. Tracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4WDFrenzy Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 On the other end of the spectrum, a WRX would be a cool Subaru to own! I got one of those!!! '02 WRX Wagon in midnight black pearl. It goes along nicely with my '88 GL-10 Wagon(turbo fulltime 4wd w/diff lock & 5spd) although it is currently broken:( . But anyway, the ram air idea is a good one. It may need a little more fabricating though. The air filter needs to be isolated so that the incoming air from the scoop has no place to go except through the filter. In it's current configuration, it will still work, but it will more or less work as a fresh air intake, which we all know is still better than the engine breathing in hot, stale engine compartment air. I have a couple of ideas for a ram air setup, but have no way to convey them on the forum(it would require some "hands on the car time" and maybe a few sketches). I really can't help too much from my current location either. Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phizinza Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 The pod filter should makes things sound a lot better I think with a little work you could have a much better setup. Instead of using the original airbox you could copy my prototype and maybe get smoother air flow. Heres a few pictures for you this pic was for the ultimate snorkle tread, but you can see my idea would work for your idea. I have duel carbies, so you don't have to worry about having two of these things just one for you americans. I'm not saying your setup sucks, it will work fine. But I think with something like this you would be a lot happier. And I think it would look neater. So, get out ya ruler and mesure ya carbie up and head off down to the hardware store. I would really like to see my prototype in action, but have never got the filter to do anything about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4WDFrenzy Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 One last thing... if the stock air cleaner has been removed and you are just using the housing as an easy connection to your aftermarket filter, you are running the risk of introducing unfiltered air in several places such as the air stove tube and lose connections where PCV tubing runs into the housing. Again, if you want to use that filter, my vote would be to eliminate the stock filter housing. On the other hand, if you just want to try and push more air down the throat, why not keep the stock filter in place and just relocate the intake to your hood scoop... no extra filter needed. Tracy I hate to be a downer, but all intakes introduce unfiltered air somewhere. Just check under the hood of any car. Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fj401968 Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 The best case scenario of an intake system is to ensure the smallest particle allowed to enter the venturi is no larger than the filter medium. I'm sure there is a large spectrum of how well this is accomplished. In the real world. But... I'm not talking about minor leaks around the wing nuts and the gasket on top of the air cleaner. If blindsight has removed the original filter from the original filter housing and is using the housing as 'go-between' for his aftermarket filter, he'll be sucking a lot of unfiltered air through the air stove pipe hooked to his exhaust Y. On the other hand, if the stock filter is still 'in there' then what is the purpose of the aftermarket filter? Two filters would be unnecessarily restrictive. Tracy I hate to be a downer, but all intakes introduce unfiltered air somewhere. Just check under the hood of any car. Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4WDFrenzy Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 Ummm, yeah. The Pcv system and any other tube that runs to the intake assembly(whether that be a pipe or whatever) is going to introduce unfiltered air to the mix at some point or another. It won't hurt the engine to suck in unfiltered air from the PCV system as that is part of the reason why it is there in the first place. Hypothetically, the engine pulls in the vapors and burns them during the combustion cycle. This greatly reduces emissions. The stove pipe only brings in hot air off of the exhaust manifold and can be disconnected all together. It just preheats the incoming air charge which totally defeats the purpose of putting a cold air or fresh air intake on the engine in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowman Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 I would highly recommend removing that second 90 degree elbow at all costs. The first one is necessary if you're going to use the stock air cleaner housing, but if you were to eliminate that it would help even more. A 90 degree bend has the same effect on flow as adding 7 to 9 feet of extra tubing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Island Roo Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 is that photoshop scoop from Vanislru's hood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calebz Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 If you did everything possible to trick out an EA engine it would still be amazing if you could get an EA series motor to push the HP that my '90, beat up, stock, Legacy will. New here eh? ...mumbles some old saying about putting your money where your mouth is...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodsWagon Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 Sorry yer getting a hard time, Tracy, but the first post ranckled some I guess. Guys, what he is saying is right. +The snorkus on the stock airbox has the heat stove inlet in it. this is pulling air from the ground around the exhaust pipes. Normally this warmer air then goes throught the filter in the airbox, butthis filter is no longer there! So unfiltered air is being pulled in in large quantitys. +The multiple turns in the system make it inefficient. This acutually will reduce preformace if anything. Run a 90 off the carb straight back and put the cone on the pipe where you have it. + the filter needs a box around it and a foam edge to seal the box to the hood when the hood is closed. Then it will be ram air. It's a good Idea,it just needs improvement. Keep modding, and good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBrumby Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 i didnot think carbs liked possitive pressure e.g. ram air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSight Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 Thanks a whole lot for all of the comments...really appreciate it. Thought it out for a while and had planed on eventually connecting it directly to the carb if someone can walk me through how to do it...preferably with lots of pictures explaining how to hook up all of the vacuum hoses and re-route all of the lines and such, also do plan on building some sort of cone or box around the air filter allowing the air that will be entering through the scoop to go directly into the filter...unless what BobBrumby said is true and then I will just hook the stock air breather back up and stick the filter on my desk. This guy I know is opening up a customs shop and has some big plans for the future so might eventually see some big happenings with my ride within the next couple of years...right now im just having fun and playing around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSight Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 oh and I got the filter from http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8006953413&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1 ......and I think my spare tire looks nice on my roof rack...and can get to things more easily in my engine bay without that full size spare under there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudboat Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 Here is a custom fabricated ram air application setup in a hunting boat: The cowl is sealed when the engine cover is closed. There is a side mounted scoop on the opposite side, but this side looks much cooler: The guy claimed an increase in rpms and an overall increase in medium to high end power: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSight Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 well theoretically an increase in colder air does make an engine run more efficiently but with that increase of air you are also changing the ratio of air to fuel...to really achieve much of a noticeable difference you would also have to upgrade your fuel delivery system to compensate for the larger amount of air and even out your air/fuel ratio....and also upgrade your exhaust system.....*shrugs*.....it might just be a bit ricey when its done...but eventually it will help a little in performance and it helps dress up and fill out my engine bay....so much space to fill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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