Hank Roberts Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 1988 GL 4wd 5-speed with less than 500 miles yet on a rebuilt engine from CCRinc. I'll be back after I have a few months' numbers to take a decent average. I'm hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrickell Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 92 Loyale Wagon FWD 5spd EA82 SPFI...40+ highway/32ish city arrooff? ( scooby doo questioning sound ) 40+ highway? umm...jato on the roof, or diesel conversion? kpg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85Sub4WD Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I see alot of 20's mpg. How Bizarre! My last subaru (87 dl, pushbutton AWD, 5spd, carbed) went into the 50's per gallon (no joke!) without any sign of lean condition @ 166k miles. The old carb I cleaned whistled like a tea pot . I wonder if it was manual steering, windows, no A/C etc.... probably was - those who have A/C in their EA82's know what I am talking about; the DL body is also a LOT lighter than the GL's which has some affect too (they don't have the trim, electronics (complicated I/C) and such - still, 50mpg is wayyy high for a DL even... dunno - the 87+ had a higher CR than earlier ones, which helps with fuel economy too...arrooff? ( scooby doo questioning sound ) 40+ highway? umm...jato on the roof, or diesel conversion? kpg? not unheard of for FWD cars - probably b/c they are lighter and don't have the resistance on the rear from the 4WD system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrickell Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Not saying it is not occurring, but am skeptical. Physics is physics. It takes a given amount of fuel to push something through air at a certain speed. On the highway, wind resistance will matter more than a couple hundred pounds of weight. A certain mass being pushed through air with a certain drag coeff, with a certain gear ratio will produce x mileage. There is no "magic" pill or one magic car that gets 30% better mileage than 100,000 other identical examples. Slight variations, yes, but not huge ones. If every 1990 Loyale, for instance, gets 30 mpg, and one person is getting 50, I would say that chances are better than not that the issue lies with the 50 mpg person's accounting, not that it is some miracle. The reason I am skeptical is I sold diesel VWs for years. I owned 5 or 6. Now, they will consistently get a certain range or mpg, within about 10% leeway based on driving style. Let's say for the sake of discussion, 45 mpg. Maybe 50, maybe 40, but out of that 10% range or so, no, certainly not 60mpg unless you are drafting a semi at 50 mph even downhill for 2 hours in neutral and the interior is stripped out and you have a big magnet on the roof.. However, you would get folks in there swearing to God that they got 60-65 mpg, sometimes 70. No way. They were real enthusiastic, excited to be getting high 40's or so, and the MPG story would gain 2 mpg every time it was told until it was 60. Hate to say it, but just about impossible to get 60, but you'd have the old timer who would swear by it. Even more outlandish were the non-owners who KNEW someone who had a diesel VW. When they would talk about their brothers/aunts/uncles diesel, it was getting over 60 mpg. It started at 40 mpg 5 years ago, and the story grew and grew to 60 mpg. Now everyone working at the store had owned numerous diesels old and new, had driven slow, fast, etc and had a real accurate idea of what the car was capable of, and it was sure not 60 mpg I don't care what people's perception was, it was just not possible period. 90% of the time, it was a math error, or the people did not know how to calculate mileage properly ( using gauge or what the manual said the tank held versus real world measurement ). But since these people figured the mileage incorrectly once and saw 50 or 60 or 70 mpg on paper, after that, it was gospel. Again, ok, let's say for the sake of discussion someone can get 50 mpg out of a Subaru ( non-justy). I am saying I am real skeptical having experience with how the psychology of this kind of thing works, it is really funny. Kind of like someone being so convinced that the world is flat, that they get peeved when you don't believe it. Everyone knows it is impossible except one guy, and there is hell to pay if you contradict him. Just my 2c, no offense to anyone. Good for you if you are getting 50's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballitch Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 86' GL wagon, 5-lug conversion (185/70/R14) with EJ22. ~22-24 city/highway mix....i think my o2 sensor is bad though.....went from 25 mixed driving to 22. with the old EA82 under the hood i got about 25-28 MPG with mixed driving...but then of course it took about 1.5 miles to get up to 75 from 65. ~Josh~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrickell Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Oh, by the way, if I had a DL/GL/Loyale that was getting 50mpg real world, I'd be on the horn to Subaru, because I bet the engineers would pay big money to see how this happened so they can replicate it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyale 2.7 Turbo Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I Know how this Happens: I got the Same when my subie was with the CrapTachi Carburetor, and the second stage of it wasn´t working. (Imagine the Vacuum disconnected or somethin´ like that) Yes, it´s true... Sad but True. Sad because the subie feels extremly underpowered, and the engine becomes slower to accelerate, and at high rev´s it makes high "pop-pop" noises in the Carb... Now mine´s is "Weberized" ... Far difference! OK, my fuel economy is this: (Now) 33 MPG in Highways and 28 in cities. Specs: White Subaru Loyale 1985 EA82 "Weberized" with manual trans... (the yellow one is anotha´ story... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subarian Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Oh, by the way, if I had a DL/GL/Loyale that was getting 50mpg real world, I'd be on the horn to Subaru, because I bet the engineers would pay big money to see how this happened so they can replicate it! Nah, the oil company guys would show up on your doorstep and pay you big bucks for your car so they could keep it secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrickell Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Nah, the oil company guys would show up on your doorstep and pay you big bucks for your car so they could keep it secret. Yeah, very possible. The 45mpg EA82 is probably worth a lot of money to someone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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