tailgatewagon Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 so whats the statis of these swaps... would like to get info and then hopefully add to faq.... how i think it gos dr 5speed. ring and pinoion out of early legacy 4.11 5speed trans... is this a direct bolt in???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballitch Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 i remember something to the tune of next to impossible, something about the AWD ring and pinions are deeper than the D/R ring and pinion. there is a thread or two about it, however, some guy in australia put 4.11 gears into a D/R tranny. but if you were going to go through all that hassle, i would just get the 4.44 gears for better crawl, and you could run big tires without having to worry so much about loss of gearing. but thats just what i would do. i would love to have this in my car, maybe mudrat79 will enlighten us since he's torn all kinds of suby trannys apart, and knows what will and wont work. ~Josh~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailgatewagon Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 there is a memeber on the board that has in his sig that he ha s4.11 in his dr 5speed. i hope someone know who i speek of .... i think he was from colorado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoahDL88 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I've been thinking about this too, and if the 4.44 gears can be found for not too much money, then they would be good to go with for a better crawl ratio. My "ideal" transmission would be... RX center diff, as the EJ makes quick starts with 2wd more of a burn out process. AWD/4WD 4.44 or 4.11 gears Front LSD 2WD first gear, if it fits, as its 3.656 instead of 3.545 NA D/R 1.59 Low range I think with the RX center diff, it would be possible to mate the 4.11 or the 4.44 JDM gears into the D/R transmission The AWD Diff lock RX tranny has a longer pinion shaft, so the 4.11 gears, which are also AWD would probably need the RX pinion and rear "t-case" and not be able to use the part time unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikie Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 The legacy gearbox has a centre diff with a long pinion shaft. The fulltime EA box has a long pinion shaft with the same layout. The parttime 2wd/4wd ea box has the pinion as an integral part of the secondary shaft. If you want a EA d/r box with 4.11 or 4.44 gears you will have to use the fulltime 4wd EA box with the legacy final drive, its the only way of getting a pinion to fit witohut major mods.... i think. The crownwheel should be pretty straightforward, they look the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoahDL88 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 So if we could find 4.44 gears cut to a legacy gear box, we could even run 4.44? I like you guys down under, when you want somthing you figure it out. Thanks for letting us use your knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baccaruda Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 there is a memeber on the board that has in his sig that he ha s4.11 in his dr 5speed. i hope someone know who i speek of .... i think he was from colorado it's BeefARu, whoever that is here's his webpage here's an old post of his detailing the trans This discussion would not be complete without revisiting this classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fangster Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 The legacy gearbox has a centre diff with a long pinion shaft.The fulltime EA box has a long pinion shaft with the same layout. The parttime 2wd/4wd ea box has the pinion as an integral part of the secondary shaft. If you want a EA d/r box with 4.11 or 4.44 gears you will have to use the fulltime 4wd EA box with the legacy final drive, its the only way of getting a pinion to fit witohut major mods.... i think. The crownwheel should be pretty straightforward, they look the same. I am not the quickest of cats when it comes to gearboxes. Would this configuration retain the "lockable" centre of a Full Time box? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanislru Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I'll go measure the pinion of the 4.44 set I have. I'm pretty sure that it's the same length, you can order 2 different lengths from Rallispec. 1 for a trannie with the center diff and 1 without. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboobaroo Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 so it appears that Beefaru's tranny has 4.11 gears in it and a Legacy viscous center diff. Looks like I might have to tear down one of my EJ trannys;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zefy Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 so that guy still has the d/r but he's lost the center diff lock... hmmm... this is just a backwards thought (i tend to do that) but everybody is trying to get 4.11 and 4.44 gears into the d/r trannies... what about sticking a d/r with a locked center diff into an ej? stick the butt end of a d/r onto an ej??? just a thought... any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballitch Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 whats the point of 4.44 gears if you lose the D/R? its a wash, you go from 3.90 gearing to 4.44, but you dont have the extra 60% gearing with D/R...and 4.44 minus 3.90 doesnt equal 60% in my mind...... ~Josh~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanislru Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 The 4.44 Pinion for the 5 mt I have is 13 5/8" of an inch long. (mm's ?) Any know how long the d/r pinion is of the top of their head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballitch Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 13 5/8'' = 346.0750 mm.......34.60750cm.......3.460750 dm......lol gots to love the metric system. but seriously, we need to figure this thing out, if you've heard anything or talked with anyone about this, please speak up, i want 4.44 gears with my D/R tranny, i want to run 27'' tires with the same gearing....hook a brotha up!!!! ~Josh~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoahDL88 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 I have an RX tranny sitting in my parents garage in San Diego, and in order to make this work, i would need either a legacy tranny, the 4.44 ring and pinion, and a NA 5mt D/R for the "real" low range. and while i was in there, i think that a 1.5 way LSD would be a nice addition. So, if anyone has any of the above listed, in or around Seattle, let me know, i'll kick out the first prototype and if it works i'll start building them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboobaroo Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 I have an RX tranny sitting in my parents garage in San Diego, and in order to make this work, i would need either a legacy tranny, the 4.44 ring and pinion, and a NA 5mt D/R for the "real" low range. and while i was in there, i think that a 1.5 way LSD would be a nice addition. So, if anyone has any of the above listed, in or around Seattle, let me know, i'll kick out the first prototype and if it works i'll start building them. I got a Legacy tranny and an Impreza tranny but so far away:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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