jmalzak Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Im curious as to which car would be faster, both being stock. I realize the STI is awd but what do you think would win a race from stop, or from roll. 96 300zx Twin Turbo- 300HP 310 Tourqe 2004 STI Turbo- 300HP 300Tourque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltree Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 What would the curb weight of both cars be ,, stock? as for aerodynamics,, hmm i think the z car may be a little more streamlined than the sti,, don' t quote me though, :argue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 A good driver would always win in the STI - that would be my guess - the AWD would make for much better launches. Even from a rolling start, the 300ZX would burn out. The STI would not. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmalzak Posted October 20, 2003 Author Share Posted October 20, 2003 im not sure but i think the 300zx is at least a couple hundred pounds less since its only a 2 seater and is somewhat smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickb21 Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Hmm, from the numbers I found, the Z is actually about 200 lbs heavier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrxsubaru Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 yeah the 300ZX are really heavy, like 3500-3600 pounds. I think the STI would take it in every aspect of speed, except top speed, because of the aero diffrences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmalzak Posted October 22, 2003 Author Share Posted October 22, 2003 its 3504 lbs and the sti is 3263 lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyKeith Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 Don't forget that the STi also has a 6 speed. As for top speed you will never know. The STi is electronically limited to around 145, but it gets there in a hurry. I do know that the STi beats the new 350Z, but I'm still waiting for the turbo 350Z. That will be sick! Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmalzak Posted October 22, 2003 Author Share Posted October 22, 2003 I wouldn't take advice from anyone that thinks that the 6 speed can go faster since it has 6 gears instead of 5, simpleton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobynuts Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 Groan...why do people insist on throwing horsepower figures around. First, the figures mentioned are flywheel or crank not wheel horsepower. Second, the Z has 1 more turbo and 2 more cylinders. My guess is the Z will make much more torque than the STI. And last, the Z has a far greater potential to make power than the STI. A cat back, intake, and chip, and you're looking at 500 (flywheel) horsepower. I've personally seen a stock 96 Z race a new STI, no contest, not evev close, granted, anything can happen on the street adn a lot of times it boils down to the driver. I never have to worry though, I have both a new WRX and a 95 Z-28 (dynoed at 425 rwhp) and I have yet to be taken on the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyKeith Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 Originally posted by jmalzak I wouldn't take advice from anyone that thinks that the 6 speed can go faster since it has 6 gears instead of 5, simpleton? \ Umm, did you bother to read my reply? #1, did I say it was faster??? NO #2, Was it ever mentioned if we were discussing an unlimited straight road or if we were talking about a 1/4 mile run, or a lap around Lime Rock????? NO #3, Did I not say that as far as top speed goes you would never know because the STi is Electronically limited???? YES So, where exactly do I say that it can go faster because it has the six speed. If you want to get technical a six speed on a road track will beat the same car with a five speed any day. In a quarter mile drag the car with 5 speed would win. In the open never ending straight road the two would probably be a wash, but it still might lean towards the six speed. It's all about keeping the car in the power band effectively. Each type of "race" has different requirements and is handled differently. No matter how you look at it there is a difference and therefore should be mentioned when asking the grand question of which car is faster. So, Who appears to be the simpleton? Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyKeith Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 Originally posted by scoobynuts Groan...why do people insist on throwing horsepower figures around. First, the figures mentioned are flywheel or crank not wheel horsepower. You're right about the flywheel vs wheel point. Still boils down to Power vs. weight. They had a cool article in Sport Compact car where an Integra powered lotus took on a Mustang Cobra. The lotus won in just about all the tests. Less power, but also a lot less weight. Also, 500hp is easy to get from the Z32. I don't think 700 is even that hard, and that can be done on mostly stock internals from what I've seen. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet82 Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 :argue: :argue: :argue: :argue: :argue: :argue: :argue: Why doesn't someone get the facts then post a reasonable answer? Does Edmunds list those sort of stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrxsubaru Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Nissian 96 300Z turbo specs from http://www.supercars.net http://www.supercars.net/cars/1996@$Nissan@$300ZX%20Turbog.html flywheel horse power 300 flywheel torq 283 weight 3481 lbs topspeed 249.4 kph / 155.0 mph 0-60 6.5 seconds 0 -1/4 mile 15.0 seconds 0 - 100MPH 16.5 seconds Lateral Acceleraction 0.91g slalom no way can 300z out slalom a STI No way posible, the STI beats Zo6 corvetts 60-0 not going to beat the STI dont know but its not as good as the STI. EPA City/highway 18 / 24 mpg Subaru 04 WRX STI specs from sport compact car. wheel horse power 257 wheel torue 266 curb weight 3263 lbs 0-60 4.9 seconds 0-1/4 mile 13.1 @105 mph 0-100 less than 13 secs lateral acceration 0.91g slaom speed 70.7 mph 60-0 110 feet Over all the STI ties(once)or beats the 300z in every contest of speed, I bet the STI can even go 155MPH. You would have to do alot to get the 300z to run 13.1 sec quarter miles times, thats almost 2 full seconds off the 1/4 mile time. With the money invested into the 300Z you could get a new exhust, and intake for the STI and get it onto the higher 12 sec barrier, and you wouldent have the problemsb getting the power to the ground. Also sport compact car has a 300z with 560 wheel horse power and 549 foot pounds of torq at the wheels, and it runs a 12.8 sec quarter mile. they say it has problems with bog or boil, and it has a very hard time getting the power to the ground. They said with a clutch that wouldent grab so hard it would run a low12 high 11, but it runs a 12.8. with the money they invested in the 300z you could have a brand new STI and about 15 grand to mess around with. Iam sure you could get the STI into the 11s with that much money. It dosent matter how much power you have, it matters how fast you can go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmalzak Posted October 23, 2003 Author Share Posted October 23, 2003 looks like i win keith, nice try bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmalzak Posted October 23, 2003 Author Share Posted October 23, 2003 wrx subaru, quit making stats up... the 300 zx tt doesnt run a 15 second 1/4 mile, obviously your going to go for the sti since your all about subaru's (hence your name). So just go post your bullcrap stats somewhere else check autos.msn.com for the real stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrxsubaru Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 check out http://www.supercars.net thats why I listed the source. Before you call me a liar check the source. They have forums for people to post about there cars, no one complaing about the specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrxsubaru Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Originally posted by jmalzak wrx subaru, quit making stats up... the 300 zx tt doesnt run a 15 second 1/4 mile, obviously your going to go for the sti since your all about subaru's (hence your name). So just go post your bullcrap stats somewhere else check autos.msn.com for the real stats auto.msn.com doesnt work, maybe you should list bullcrap web addreses some were else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmalzak Posted October 23, 2003 Author Share Posted October 23, 2003 get some new eyes pard, i said AUTOS.MSN.COM not auto...*sigh:drunk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltree Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Didn't think that this post would go this far :argue: but would it beat the new Hemi?? :argue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrxsubaru Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 yeah sorry on that one . Why do you think i am all about subarus, just because my name is wrx subaru on a subaru board, ive owned a 87 toyota supra turbo mk3 a 75 dodge dart, and a k car, and a svx which i own now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pm128 Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Stock for stock the sti is faster. However good luck finding a stock tt 300zx. The very basic upgrades on that car give about 300 rwhp, and 400-500rwhp is very duable on stock turbos and internals. There are some turbo upgrade kits coming out now for that car thet get about 800-900 flywheel hp. The numbers from above "super cars.net" are way off, the 96 300zx has less hp than the 90-95 (due to odbii emissions) it had 280hp, while the 90-95 had 300hp. The 300zx is a horrible drag car, the rear suspension is way overengineered antisquat setup so you get a lot of wheel spin on hard take offs. Stock these cars run about 13.8-14.2 sec quarters, the n/a's stock (222hp) run about 15-15.5 quarters and about 14.2-15.9 modified. Having said that they are great cars, awsome to take on wisty roads mt passes, etc. Finally getting mine back today form the shop after getting it stollen(grrr). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmalzak Posted October 23, 2003 Author Share Posted October 23, 2003 Over all the STI ties(once)or beats the 300z in every contest of speed, I bet the STI can even go 155MPH. You would have to do alot to get the 300z to run 13.1 sec quarter miles times, thats almost 2 full seconds off the 1/4 mile time. With the money invested into the 300Z you could get a new exhust, and intake for the STI and get it onto the higher 12 sec barrier, and you wouldent have the problemsb getting the power to the ground. Also sport compact car has a 300z with 560 wheel horse power and 549 foot pounds of torq at the wheels, and it runs a 12.8 sec quarter mile. they say it has problems with bog or boil, and it has a very hard time getting the power to the ground. They said with a clutch that wouldent grab so hard it would run a low12 high 11, but it runs a 12.8. with the money they invested in the 300z you could have a brand new STI and about 15 grand to mess around with. Iam sure you could get the STI into the 11s with that much money. It dosent matter how much power you have, it matters how fast you can go. Your trying to tell me that after buying a 300zx for 10,000 and a sti for 34,000 and putting 24,000 dollars worth of mods into the 300zx that it will still be slower then the stock STI? Are you out of your mind buddy?:madder: As long as you didn't spend 23,000 on body decals and body kits that you probably do, cause you think it makes your car faster then you could easily invest in better turbos and what not, it wouldn't be hard to get the car faster then the sti with 24,000 dollars.......wowwwww you amaze me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrxsubaru Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 All I am saying is the money that the magazine spent on the 300Z must be over $40,000 you could buy a brand new STI and invest the rest on it into the motor and have a faster car. They did spend money that dident need to be spent on the car,nesaceraly but they spent it on the car so they would retain some reliblity. putting out 600 horsepower on a car that came stock with 300 horsepower things will break if you leave them stock. They dident spend that much on the body kits. They had the engine rebuilt from scrach, with beefier internals, new turbos, inercooler, and they replaced most plastic stuff under the hood with metal so they wont melt, becasue 300z have a reputaion for havong extremley high temps under the hood. The toyota 2jzegte engine one of the strongest enignes made can only handle about 600 horse on stock internals, but it will break something within 10,000 miles garentied. Iam not syaing you cant make a 300z that can go faster in a stright line than a STI excpecialy with 24 grand all aim saying is to retain reliblity and still be faster in a stright line is alot harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperRallyRoo Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 quote from Dan-"You would have to do alot to get the 300z to run 13.1 sec quarter miles times, thats almost 2 full seconds off the 1/4 mile time. With the money invested into the 300Z you could get a new exhust, and intake for the STI and get it onto the higher 12 sec barrier, and you wouldent have the problemsb getting the power to the ground." DUDE a twin turbo 300zx would stomp all over a sti! Especially if u turned up the boost a little bit! Come on man! Dan speaks alot of crap... LOL... Just look at Coreys supra! It took him what 26$? to get the boost controler thing and go WAY faster! And this 300z would smash on his car! And he even talks about how he thinks he could beat an Sti! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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