Joey Joe Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 The auto tranny is trashed on my 1990 loyale. Ran it enough to get to know the engine I just installed runs great and is worth putting some time in to. I have a 5 speed from a GL non-turbo and the axles and dif, basically the whole car. My problem here is that the axles from the GL tranny do not fit with the hub/knuckle/brake components on the Loyale. My options 1. Install everything and build new axles to fit the GL tranny and the loyale knuckle I have heard this can be done but do not know what it truly takes. Can I use my original axles off of my Loyale and switch the inner joints with the Gl axles? Seems to good to be true but I would prefer to do this rather than swap everything else 2. Swap everything, dif front hubs knuckles and brake compnents ect. ect. I would love to be able to make these axles work with both components and am starting to install the tranny today so any knowledge on the subject will help so much Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoahDL88 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 GL, EA-82 body axles, (85-89) have the same knuckle design as the loyale, infact they are the exact same part number. They are interference fit on the inner race of the bearings, and are sometimes a pain to get through the hub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86ruguy Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 yeah, they are really tight and you will probably destroy the bearings is you take the outer hubs apart:-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Joe Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 So you are saying it can be done but it is hard? or impossible. There are two different types of axles I know this to be true. So would you suggest swapping out everything instead of making all of my good parts already in place work with the tranny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Joe Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 What do you mean by the axle's knuckle? I am assuming you mean where the axle connects to the wheel/brakes/knuckle ect. But i know that my axles on my subes have a different spline count and thinkness. By the way my loyale is an auto. Might be an important fact. GL, EA-82 body axles, (85-89) have the same knuckle design as the loyale, infact they are the exact same part number. They are interference fit on the inner race of the bearings, and are sometimes a pain to get through the hub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 The two types of axles have nothing to do with the hub end. The spline count on the transmission is the difference. 23 spline for NA, and 25 spline for Turbo. Hubs are the same - the whole GL/Loyale thing is just a name badge - same car, same suspension. Both are EA82's. They were called the "Leone" everywhere but the US. They are saying that the axle to bearing fittment is tight - there is a special tool to draw them through. This is made more apparent by different manufacturers of bearings and axles over the years - some are increddibly tight, and others are so loose the axle falls out by itself. It's a crap shoot. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 You can swap the DOJ from one axle to the other - just undo the boot, and swap the joints. Easier than swapping axles out of knucles I say. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboobaroo Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 do a quick search of an auto -> manual swap. I did one in my '89 RX which had the 4EAT automatic in it. If yours has a 3AT, you'll need to swap the axles IF you get a turbo tranny which has the 25 spline axles. If you end up using a NA tranny which has a 23 spline axle which, if yors HAS a 3AT, then the axles won't have to be swapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Joe Posted April 11, 2006 Author Share Posted April 11, 2006 I have a 4eat so I will need to do something about the axle to knuckle. What is the DOJ? Is that the inner cv joint connecting to the tranny or the outer. I have undone the outer cv joint and bearings and put it back together, can I expect that the inner joint will be about as dificult. Thank You all You can swap the DOJ from one axle to the other - just undo the boot, and swap the joints. Easier than swapping axles out of knucles I say. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 No - the knuckle end is always the same. Period. The tranny end of the axle is different. It's pinned on with a roll-pin, and the spline count of the DOJ cup is different for the 4EAT from a Turbo (only came on Turbo's for EA82's) than the cup from the 5 speed. You will need to swap the inner joints from one axle shaft to the other. Just take the boot off and you'll see.... DOJ is Double Offset Joint - the inner is a special form of CVJ - it also slides in and out for suspension travel. Known as a DOJ. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboobaroo Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 You could get a 4EAT as an option in the '90-'94 Loyales as well as the '88 and most '89 GL-10s or RXs if they didn't come manual. However, the 4EAT was an OPTION for these cars so you had to order it with the 4EAT. If you got a regular Loyale, you could get it with either the push button 5-speed or a 3AT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Well - if you are talking special order, I think there was a lot of things you could do *if* you wanted. LSD's were an order option as well. You or I are never likely to see anything strange like that tho. Special order's for these things were pretty rare I'm sure. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesFox Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 the 4 spd AT has 25 splines. your 5spd is 23 splines. you will have to swap the WHOLE AXLE with a 23 spline. the only exception, you can swap the doj(inner cup) with one from a TURBO 3SPD AT as the doj itself is the same diameter as the 25 spline, but has 23 spline source some regular 23 spline axles if you have a choice for axles, such as buying new ones, order a set for a 3spd turbo AT, since this will be the right spline(23), but the axle itself will be thickest, the same turbo rated axles as the 25 spline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Joe Posted May 1, 2006 Author Share Posted May 1, 2006 The stock axles that I got with the 5 speed fit perfectly in the hubs, thank you all. Also I need help finding out how to by pass the park to starter switch, it wont start til I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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