kingbobdole Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 part number 499987200? Its that special tool to retorque the headgaskets without pulling the cam carriers. Subaru says its discontinued :-\ Or I can make one, I have a welder, I just need to know what lenght extension to use so its not too long.... a basic writeup might be helpful;) Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subaru_dude Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 I had no idea a such tool existed... but I really want one too, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 there's directions on here how to make one. take a socket and cut/grind it down, etc. WJM also posted contact info and said it "should" be available from somewhere, i had no luck. you retorquing your ER27 or EA82T? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
operose Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 check with subyluvr2212 or subie gal?? they might be able to find one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooziewhatsit Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 there's directions on here how to make one. take a socket and cut/grind it down, etc. WJM also posted contact info and said it "should" be available from somewhere, i had no luck. you retorquing your ER27 or EA82T? ditto, at one point I looked at what it would take to make one of these sockets.... Basically you just need to take a standard socket, and make it shorter. Probably a lot easier than ordering an expensive part that you may not be able to find. 0.02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffast Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 i'll ask my parts guy i have a really good one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Really not that hard to make - get a snap-on socket, and grind it down (use a lot of water - you don't want to overheat it an remove the temper. You have to grind from both ends, and taper the wrench side a bit for it to fit under the cam. There's actually a better alternative however - use the Fel-Pro perma-torque gaskets. They are superior, and do not require retorqueing. I've used them on a lot of engines now, and I love their design. Not 20 yr old parts from japan. Head gasket technologoy has come a long way in that time, and the Fel-Pro's are some of the best for any vehicle application I can think of. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnW Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 When I get mine back you can borrow it but it may be a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
operose Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Really not that hard to make - get a snap-on socket, and grind it down (use a lot of water - you don't want to overheat it an remove the temper. You have to grind from both ends, and taper the wrench side a bit for it to fit under the cam. There's actually a better alternative however - use the Fel-Pro perma-torque gaskets. They are superior, and do not require retorqueing. I've used them on a lot of engines now, and I love their design. Not 20 yr old parts from japan. Head gasket technologoy has come a long way in that time, and the Fel-Pro's are some of the best for any vehicle application I can think of. GD never used them, but now I will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbobdole Posted June 23, 2006 Author Share Posted June 23, 2006 Shawn... cool, I'll take you up on that... I am actually doing a EA82T, but not mine.... we put OEM gaskets into Mikeshoups XT Turbo and it just needs a retorque, but I'd still like to find the tool.... The snap-on guy told Noss he could get one, and they are only about $40 or so..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOOBOUTLAW Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Do the rocker bolts support the head too? The only way I can retorque my heads is removing the rocker assembly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torxxx Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 just over torq them a lil bit when you finish the rotation. I torq mine to 55 lbs instead of the rec 47 lbs... havent had any problems on ANY of the rebuilds I've done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Do the rocker bolts support the head too? The only way I can retorque my heads is removing the rocker assembly. This is EA82 land - no rockers being it's OHC. EA71's are a different beast. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subaru_dude Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 guess what time it is guys. DUMB QUESTION TIME!!!!!! what exactly is re-torqueing? thanks for being patient with the fairly-noobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbone Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 It is sometimes recommended that the head bolts be re-torqued. It depends on the brand of head gaskets used and the tecnique used in the original torqueing, as Torxxx mentioned. I torqued mine to 50lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbobdole Posted June 27, 2006 Author Share Posted June 27, 2006 guess what time it is guys. DUMB QUESTION TIME!!!!!! what exactly is re-torqueing? thanks for being patient with the fairly-noobs. Retorquing is sometimes required during headgasket break in. When metal is heated it expands and contracts when it cools.. When you put new HGs in an engine they will expand and contract the first few hundred miles or so possibably causing the bolts that hold the head to the block to become loose. Retorquing is required on some desingns of HGs so that the bolts do not become looser causing HG failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobs Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 There's actually a better alternative however - use the Fel-Pro perma-torque gaskets. They are superior, and do not require retorqueing. I've used them on a lot of engines now, and I love their design. Not 20 yr old parts from japan. Head gasket technologoy has come a long way in that time, and the Fel-Pro's are some of the best for any vehicle application I can think of. GD Are the Fel-Pro permatorque gaskets thicker than the stock gaskets? If they are, doesn't this lower the compression ratio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWet Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Re: The original question... I was at Sears the other day looking for some sockets to mutilate for this purpose, and came across something that might work just fine. It is a shallow 6-point 17mm socket with integral u-joint (3/8ths inch drive). I test fitted it on an EA82 head and it seemed to reach all of the bolt heads without any noticeable angularity of the u-joint. Part#9 43208 Desc: "3/8 In dr. Flex 17mm socket" List price: US$8.49 The only concern that I would have with it would be that u-joint angularity would have to be compensated for somewhat when setting the torque wrench, but it doesn't look like it would be significant. Looks like it could be useful in other situations, too. OZ/NZ friends (and any other non-US folk): How are the socket-drive sizes specified in your areas? Ours are all "English"/SAE (1/4", 3/8", 1/2"). Do use the same "convention" or do you have metric drive sizes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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