Stupidru Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 What years & models of 2.5 engines will fit in a 1999 forester? I found a 1999 with a blown engine, for next to nothing. If I get this it will be the first time I'd make it out of the 80's, although I did briefly own a 1992 turbo legacy, but I never drove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy777 Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 Pretty much any of the newer EJ motors will physically bolt into the forester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 2000 up in legacy and 1999 up in Forester. For ease use all you accessories. Some folks also fit the well loved 2.2 but you have to be careful exactly which engine you get for ease of installation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBARU3 Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 I can't seem to find the final answer to this. What is the best 2.2 engine replacement for a 1999 Forester, automatic, no EGR. Thanks! Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 one non-EGR Ej22 is a 1995 EJ22 from a manual transmission vehicle, sure there are others. i've had a 1997 EJ22 and have heard of 1998's having no EGR, but i think it will still come down to asking. i had two 1998MY (1997 manufacture) EJ22's that were identical...both Impreza OBS with automatic...even the same color and one had EGR and the other did not. non EGR Ej22's are more difficult to find I believe, i think what i would start doing is try to find a non-EGR EJ22 intake manifold, then you can essentially buy any EJ22 you want. should really open up your engine shopping options, as all you have to do is close up the hole in the head. really....you can probably install an EGR fitted intake on a non-EGR vehicle without much issues if the EGR is removed since the ECU isn't looking for it anyway, but that's speculation....pretty good speculation i think though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 one non-EGR Ej22 is a 1995 EJ22 from a manual transmission vehicle, sure there are others. i've had a 1997 EJ22 and have heard of 1998's having no EGR, but i think it will still come down to asking. i had two 1998MY (1997 manufacture) EJ22's that were identical...both Impreza OBS with automatic...even the same color and one had EGR and the other did not. non EGR Ej22's are more difficult to find I believe, i think what i would start doing is try to find a non-EGR EJ22 intake manifold, then you can essentially buy any EJ22 you want. should really open up your engine shopping options, as all you have to do is close up the hole in the head. really....you can probably install an EGR fitted intake on a non-EGR vehicle without much issues if the EGR is removed since the ECU isn't looking for it anyway, but that's speculation....pretty good speculation i think though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBARU3 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 So, the 1995 2.2, with no EGR, from a Manual trans car, will bolt up correctly? I guess my biggest concern is will any 2.2 bolt/fit correctly to the auto trans in a 99 Forester. Essentially, a plug and play application would b the 95 2.2 with no EGR? Boy this is confusing!!! LOL Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subaru360 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Look at the mounting of the engine to the transmission. See if it's 4 bolts or 8. Does your engine have EGR? Is it DOHC or SOHC. This will help us determine what 2.2 is easiest to use. '99 was a transition year with lots of oddballs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 yes the 1995 will bolt up, but it won't be exactly the same. your bellhousing will have 8 bolt holes where any EJ22 prior to 1999 will have 4. but those 4 bolt holes line up with 4 of the 8 in yours so you can make it work just fine. you'll have one bolt holding the starter and can leave it like that...or drill and tap for the second one. if you want an "exact" 8 hole drop in then you'll need a 9 hole EJ22 which i guess means you'll be checking out 1999 and up EJ22's. not worth the trouble and narrowing your pool of possible EJ22 candidates and you get a more annoying motor (the 99+ EJ22's). of course you'll have to make sure any 99+ EJ22 has those 8 bolt holes (can't recall if that's an EJ25 change only) and you'll definitely need to make sure it's a non-EGR engine. i'm not sure what 99+ EJ22's are EGR or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBARU3 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Thanks all! I'll look for a 95 Non EGR 2.2 then. Let the hunt begin! (Too bad, I have a 95 with low miles sitting in the shop...... with EGR though). Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBARU3 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 So the wiring harness/computer in this Forester will work with a 95 2.2? Will the manifold need to be switched? And will the 2.5 manifold fit the 95 2.2 block? Phew! Thanks a bunchhhhhhhhhhh Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 (Too bad, I have a 95 with low miles sitting in the shop...... with EGR though).why not use it? i mentioned this in an earlier post. if a non-EGR EJ22 works, then an EJ22 with the EGR will work as well. just block off the EGR port in the exhaust port of the heads. if for some reason it doesn't work all you would have to do is swap intake manifolds which is easy on EJ's...but it will. actually that's what i am doing right now, except the other way around. i'm installing a non-EGR and non-compliant charcoal canister EJ22 manifold (it doesn't have the canister lines in the engine bay) into an originally EGR equipped vehicle. if i don't like it for some reason i'll just swap the manifold to an actual EGR equipped manifold to simplify things, but i don't plan on needing to do that. so i'm doing exactly what you could do with an EGR equipped EJ22 (with the EGR removed). NO - your EJ25 manifold will not fit on an EJ22. you get an entire EJ22 engine assembly (entire engine and intake manifold) and drop it in your car, it's a plug and play. the plugs/wiring are identical, it just plugs right in. there's no need to swap ECU's, disregard those comments from people they're just guessing and making stuff up. if for some reason you want to keep your existing EJ25 intake wiring and such you can swap everything over to the EJ22 intake manifold. all the wiring and fuel rails and such will swap to the EJ22 manifold. not sure why you'd want to do the extra work but i suppose yours may have fewer miles (but i would just have the injectors rebuilt) or technically it would be "nice" to have actual EJ25 injectors and rails, but it doesn't really matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWalker Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Seems to me that '99 Forester's are not the same, wiring harness wise, as the the Legacy's. Just did HG's on one. I believe there were just two large engine wiring harness conectors, rather than the two large and one small like on Legacy's. I'm not positive, I pulled a '02 Forester in for HG's as soon as the '99 was finished, so I may be mixing the two up in my mind. You will want to make sure though, there are deffinetly differences between Forester's and Legacy. Edit, it was '98 and '02 Forester's that I just had in. As of 7/98 (MY1999) Forester's got the SOHC engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellow65 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 you guys are missing a couple more thing here, it's not all about egrs it also IAC. the ej22s and phase 1 ej25 had them mounted to the side of the intake manifold the phase 2 ej25 motors had them mounted on the throttle body. so when you say plug and play it really isn't. The IAC on the phase 2 ej25 has like 5 or 6 wires to the IAC the older ones have 3. Now if you were to use the ej25 throttle body on the ej22 intake and just leave the IAC on the ej22 unpluged but still mounted you could do that. also the coils are different, the earlier ones were a three plug the later ones a 4 what ever you decide to do, it's not impossible, just maybe a little more work figuring out a way to do it. Like me I just put a 99 forester motor in my 90 legacy and it took a few days of figuring out how to do the little things so they worked. the part of putting the motor in was the easy part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWalker Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I never seem to remember that they put the EJ25 SOHC engines into MY1999 Forester. So there are many differences, and the big one is a very different engine management system. No pulg and play 2.2L swap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBARU3 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 You guys are GREAT! I really appreciate this dialog.......alot! I don't know what I would do without this board!!! So, although it may appear that the 95 2.2 is doable, it would not be perfect because of the bolts and the wiring/management differences. So it sounds like the 1999/ 2.2, (phase 2 SOHC), would be the best overall 2.2 to use?? That engine IS plug and play? Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAWalker Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 That is a good question. The '99 Legacy Brighton, and some Imp's cam with that vintage of 2.2L. At first glance they look the same as the 2.5 SOHC, but I see so few that I have no idea if it would be a "Plug and Play" option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellow65 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 You guys are GREAT! I really appreciate this dialog.......alot! I don't know what I would do without this board!!! So, although it may appear that the 95 2.2 is doable, it would not be perfect because of the bolts and the wiring/management differences. So it sounds like the 1999/ 2.2, (phase 2 SOHC), would be the best overall 2.2 to use?? That engine IS plug and play? Todd still dont think so. as far as i remember they kept the same basic design of the 2.2 till it's end. so basically the only plug and play would be a phase 2 ej25 and even with them they changed some stuff. like i think in 2000 they moved the AFS into the intake manifold. where before that it was near the air box. anything is possible, with a little time and thinking. So yes a 2.2 would be doable, but probably more of a headache then you are looking to have right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 okay i guess i missed the forester differences too todd. didn't realize there was that much difference and i don't have a ton of experience with those later SOHC EJ25's. the impreza OBS had 99 EJ22's as well, and yes a goofy motor they are - plugs in the side unlike the older EJ22's. but i have no idea if they'll swap. the best bet is to swap the engine wiring harness onto the intake manifold that you want (which here is the EJ22). this is much easier to do if you have them to compare though, like i happen to have for my project, verses looking for the motor you want to buy. i just bought it with the idea that i would figure something out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloyale Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 All the 90-94 Legacy EJ22s I've ever seen had no EGR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frag Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 All the 90-94 Legacy EJ22s I've ever seen had no EGR. Add 96 to that. At least on the Brighton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferret Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 99-02 Forester, 99-02 Impreza, 00-04 Legacy/Outback. Stay with the 2.5L SOHC phase 2 to use the Kiss principle ( keep it simple stupid ). Use your current intake and sensors. Find a used one, or contact Emily at CCR ( vendor on this board ) for a good rebuild. Complete with a 3yr/36k warrenty from a company that's a pleasure to do business with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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