OB99W Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 After reading OB99W's post, another thought came to mind. It may be good to check and see if the coolant temperature sensor for the ECU is working as it should. This may be causing the mixture to run rich if it doesn't see the temperature go up as the engine warms but also wouldn't throw a error code if the circuit looks ok to the ECU. Yes, a bad ECU coolant temp sensor can do that. So can a stuck open thermostat (not common), or a missing one (someone may have pulled it); might not be obvious until the weather gets colder. High HC could be due to a burned or otherwise leaking exhaust valve; a compression test should reveal that. By the way, is this car a 2WD? I'm asking because cruise emissions were quoted, which is a dyno test, and few test stations have 4-wheel dynos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Yes, a bad ECU coolant temp sensor can do that. So can a stuck open thermostat (not common), or a missing one (someone may have pulled it); might not be obvious until the weather gets colder. High HC could be due to a burned or otherwise leaking exhaust valve; a compression test should reveal that. By the way, is this car a 2WD? I'm asking because cruise emissions were quoted, which is a dyno test, and few test stations have 4-wheel dynos. another possability at this mileage is a leaking fuel injector or two. Check the simple stuff first. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OB99W Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 another possability at this mileage is a leaking fuel injector or two.Yes, if things are really rich, both the HC and CO would be high. It could even help explain why the idle numbers look worse than at cruise. Of course, if the cat saw much of that for long enough, it's probably not doing its job any more, compounding the problem. Check the simple stuff first.Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Yes, if things are really rich, both the HC and CO would be high. It could even help explain why the idle numbers look worse than at cruise. Of course, if the cat saw much of that for long enough, it's probably not doing its job any more, compounding the problem. Amen. can the original poster do something to humor me? Bang on the cat with your hand and see if it rattles. If it rattles, it is dead. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoomer Posted September 18, 2006 Author Share Posted September 18, 2006 Will do.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edrach Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Isn't the default condition for a bad MAF to run rich? Would that also meet the other indications from his test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Isn't the default condition for a bad MAF to run rich? Would that also meet the other indications from his test? there is a long list of what it could be. Since the car has high mileage and unknown history, we need to start off with the cheap things first, and do only one at a time. Since this is an emissions test, he can't really test it in his driveway. i would do all the cheap things first (checking sensors, cleaning, insepcting. replacing inexpensive parts). Fuel injecters, if they are leaking, can be had a scrap yard. Do an opil change, check to make sure the car reaches operating temperiture (thermostat) check the temp sensor for the computer. Borrow a code reader and see what the sensors are doing. Inspect the spark plugs, check the gaps, clean and regap if on a low budget. PCV and air filter of course. Thats the down side to this, mechanically you fail an inspection you fix it and see the results. Emissions you cant see the result without going back to an inspection station. You do what you can in layers, but only one at a time, incase you do something to make the car run worse. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoomer Posted September 19, 2006 Author Share Posted September 19, 2006 No noise from the cat, I have to replace the main pulley so I'm gonna take a look at the timing belt, and see if its off a tooth, Also my brother who is a mechanic for Killed In Action (kia), said he has this miracle additive that you add to the gas, the oil and you pump it through the intake, so We are going to attempt that also... z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 No noise from the cat, I have to replace the main pulley so I'm gonna take a look at the timing belt, and see if its off a tooth, Also my brother who is a mechanic for Killed In Action (kia), said he has this miracle additive that you add to the gas, the oil and you pump it through the intake, so We are going to attempt that also... z Scary Terms .. "hey watch this" "this wont hurt at all" I have this miracle additive" nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoomer Posted September 19, 2006 Author Share Posted September 19, 2006 I know, but My moms car had similar readings, and he did it on her car and she past with flying colors. So its worth a shot.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnceggleston Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 sounds a lot like seafoam. Scary Terms .. "hey watch this" "this wont hurt at all" I have this miracle additive" nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoomer Posted September 19, 2006 Author Share Posted September 19, 2006 Took it to work today because my '81 left me stranded, started throwing a code check engine, so I decided to pull the codes and connected the black connector got a 32 on a new Oxygen sensor, so I figure I got it hooked up wrong, its a bosch splice your self, the old sensor has three wires red white and black, and my new one has black white white? Any ideas?? or should I just splice my nasty looking old one in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 The black wire may be a ground connection on both the old and the new sensors. Do you have a ohmmeter to check that? Otherwise I don't think it matters which wire goes to a particular color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OB99W Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Took it to work today because my '81 left me stranded, started throwing a code check engine, so I decided to pull the codes and connected the black connector got a 32 on a new Oxygen sensor, so I figure I got it hooked up wrong, its a bosch splice your self, the old sensor has three wires red white and black, and my new one has black white white? Any ideas?? or should I just splice my nasty looking old one in? The 3-wire sensors usually have an output/signal wire and 2 more for the heater, with the ground connection made via the shell. Bosch O2 sensors typically have the two heater wires the same color (white), since the heater has no polarity and it doesn't matter which is which. The black would then be the output/signal. How did you match the colors? As has been suggested earlier, going OEM for the O2 sensor is a good idea because OEM is more likely to be an exact match for the ECU requirements. That doesn't mean that the Bosch unit is the culprit, though. An O2 sensor whose output doesn't oscillate isn't necessarily faulty. For example, if the engine is running very rich, the O2 sensor output will be used by the ECU to try to lean the mixture, but if the rich condition is due to sufficiently leaky injectors, the ECU can't correct enough, and the O2 sensor can't swing the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoomer Posted September 26, 2006 Author Share Posted September 26, 2006 Ok, cleaned the Maf, Used Lucas Fuel injector cleaner and sprayed a bunch of carb cleaner in throught the brake booster line, And Pulled the old air filter out. I've been driving it to work and back because the carb went out on the Purple people eater... it seems to be running great and the only time I get a check engin light is after I try the cruise control... It now Idles (barely) with a vacuum hose unhooked.. friday I'm going to try some Seafoam in the Gas and the Vacuum lines and change the oil.. and take it back down Emissions because it isn't spitting out a bunch of Brown/Black exhaust... I think part of it was the Maf or one of the other sensors was clogged so there for it set the timing to low Which would explain idleing at 500rpm and when I took a vacuum line off it would immediatly die... but now it runs smoother and boy does she get up and go.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brus brother Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Phew... wer're rooting for you... not driving behind you yet but rooting for you. PS CRC has a new MAF sensor cleaner free after rebate until 12-31-06. Coupon was in Popular Mechanics. Blurb said it's specifically designed to clean MAF without damage... so they sez! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virrdog Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Don't forget to take your car out for an Italian Tune-Up! That's my favorite part of getting cars in tip-top shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoomer Posted October 3, 2006 Author Share Posted October 3, 2006 PASSED.. No airfilter, and This three bottle thing by justice brothers, one for the gas one for the oil and one for th intake... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brus brother Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Oil and vinegar?? Don't forget to take your car out for an Italian Tune-Up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Glad you made it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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