bgd73 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I have seen some technical threads here that got my mind realistically pondering. I love my 2wd. It is good for everything but mud, which no doubt is a big subject here. I had a DL 4x4 and won't ever forget it. Upon very long trips on the highway, and knowing a 2wd's power, rpms etc, and the biggest thing reading the manual , I wondered, Has anyone built one of these: a 2wd sedan for the greatest power to weight in any given oem ea82 manufactured by 200+ lbs swteel weight lighter - aas well as tranny simplified without 4wd shafting/gears (that is very big weight, having owned a couple of them, it was easily proven to not only myself to have the rear end missing and a sedan oem 2wd 5spd) the ea82 modified as I have seen on this board: mpfi, heads and turbo, on spfi pistons/ possibly cams. the tranny geared with the 3.454 from an 88 gl-10 turbo (if there is another year with that tall gear, that could be used as well- I am convinced it is the ring and pinion swap so realistically achievable, leaving the 4wd shaft behind.) other odds and ends before hand: air flow modded for entire engine bay, two row radiator, non hacked "little" turbo and quite intercooled. An oil cooler, and possibly the aftermarket ecu stuff. In theory the top end would be incredible, if engine could withstand it.I am confident it would work, except for high comp on turbo and actual stress it could handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daeron Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 bgd: I HEAR YOU! sorry, but mines 2wd, and i dont really care too much not to have them backs spinning.... but it would be SWEET if i had just a fivespeed to take more advantage of the power ive already got. but who doesnt want more powere, hmmmm??? I too have pondered this over and over and over.... contemplated getting a 3 door just to make it look _somewhat_ like an acura integra, except total sleeper... but that all takes $$$ and thats what i dont have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgd73 Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 bgd: I HEAR YOU! sorry, but mines 2wd, and i dont really care too much not to have them backs spinning.... but it would be SWEET if i had just a fivespeed to take more advantage of the power ive already got. but who doesnt want more powere, hmmmm??? I too have pondered this over and over and over.... contemplated getting a 3 door just to make it look _somewhat_ like an acura integra, except total sleeper... but that all takes $$$ and thats what i dont have. I mean 2wd in front wheel drive. The 3 door is written as heavier. the sedan has a very easy means to make it very strong, for more power. I am flying around on 30mm injection- the mpfi even just n/a would be awesome. The boxer four, even small can make a plane takeoff weighing 3000 lbs. Just opening it up in weight proportioned on the ground is quite an improvement. After v8's for several years, this 1781 is incredible. The cost is not much, but time to swap. There was a gl-10 turbo for 500 bucks local for months. without a rebuild, I could put it together for under 1000 dollars. I just want a pro's opinions... theres always the time to do this stuff. I have mentioned before.. I really want to dyno this little engine in the 2wd with accurate weight punched in the computer. I would swear it is at least 150hp with a torque maybe beyond that...seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daeron Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 yah, im the same driveline as you, i just have an automatic trans.. and i wish i didnt. i DID, however, FINALLY find a car SOMEwhat close to me for 500 obo.. 89 GL wagon, recent transplant of an engine and 4wd driveline... it needs a rear CV axle, but i could just take them both out to drive it home.. only about 250 miles away, too!! but of course, this comes up now that i am unemployed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 For what?? drag racing? street racing? as long as you're not trying to turn and accellerate at the same time, it's an awesome idea. I'm currently running an EJ22 and FWD in my loyale (RX tranny, no rear driveshaft....locked center). it's true, straight line accel is impressive. but if you're pulling any lateral g's, and then give it more than about 1/2 throttle. you just spin the inside tire. and I'm running coilovers and XT6 front sway bar! true, I'm running all season tires, which doesn't help, but nonetheless. front LSDs can be had, but you'll be paying $300-400 for a cheap one, more like $1k for a decent one. not installed (and many shops might not do it, because the diff is not actually made for your car.) your biggest advantage is the equal length halfshafts. = zero torque steer. but beyond that, AWD is about the only thing that sets it apart from a honda (except hondas are generally lighter, and have VTEC....) go for it, it's certainly not for me. but then again, I won't drive anything with less than 2 diffs if I can avoid it.....just know what you're getting into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgd73 Posted October 5, 2006 Author Share Posted October 5, 2006 The oem 2wd is a different animal. The rear wheels would bury in the wells before it never broke free. (I refuse to disclose my 18 year old "test the handling path" I have done with every car I have owned- its about a dozen since I was 15 in same locale. This 2wd loyale outdid a friends 944 porsche. I have concluded there is a heavy gyro missing, nicely, in my 2wd, no doubt 4x4 related. My goal is highway. The handling was quite a surprise. I too drove around a 4x4 with no driveshaft, it still wanted to go straight no matter what. That is how I learned that the ea82 4wd's have a powerful gyro, it was more stubborn than my grandma! This car surprised the hell out of me.It not only goes straight ..... Do you notice any "crab" or side stepping effect with the ej22 and 5 mains in the light loyale? especially snow and slippery terrain and needing to accell? My friend's wife had an accident- it nearly cost a life. Brand new forestor on an icy road , mysteriously, all at once, no control, side step on level road -- not a donut, back end sway, the whole car side stepped off into the willy wags.very bizarre. I don't think they self cancel like the 3 mains balance, further making it stubborn with a crank with as many mains as a v8.(I am really not a fan- 3 mains dead, so is my belief in the newer subes.) If I am going to have 5 mains: I want an old v8 with 600cfm, 10:1 and 300 hp casually. Take the craziness subaru went to right out of my realist thought process. I hope to build a 3 main like subaru should have- cheaply proving it to myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 not sure what you're getting at by all that. I've never hit it hard enough to get both wheels spinning, and with only one spinning, there's no way for it to sidestep (which means in your example, the driver used too much throttle. simple as that. if the wheels are getting traction, the car cannot move sideways). but I've driven plenty of EJ cars on the ice, never had any of them sidestep unexpectedly. drove an imp with rear LSD (which that forester most likely would have had aswell), and with one rear wheel on a very uneven spot on the ice, it did sidestep slightly when accelling hard, but not enough that a decent driver couldn't correct it. but my loyale started life out as a FWD 3AT. and I've driven an EA82 FWD 5-speed more than a few times. all with the same problem (even with the SPFI EA82), corner hard, hit the throttle, lose traction. handled like crap compared to this loyale, but I still can't accel out of a corner. I just think you'll be left sorely disapointed for the amount of work it will require, unless all you're doing is street racing from 40mph rolls against some stock CRXs.... and I'm also fairly certain that your 3.454 gearing doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeshoup Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 and I'm also fairly certain that your 3.454 gearing doesn't exist. Actually, it existed in a 3AT form on the GL-10 turbo... At least the 88FSM shows. WAY too tall if you ask me. Personally, I'd rather have an XT built up like mad. Still very light, and the lowest drag out of any of the soobs. Plus teh wedge is cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Actually, it existed in a 3AT form on the GL-10 turbo... At least the 88FSM shows. WAY too tall if you ask me. Personally, I'd rather have an XT built up like mad. Still very light, and the lowest drag out of any of the soobs. Plus teh wedge is cool. oh...from an AT. I bet it won't work in a 5-speed :-p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoahDL88 Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Do you notice any "crab" or side stepping effect with the ej22 and 5 mains in the light loyale? especially snow and slippery terrain and needing to accell? My friend's wife had an accident- it nearly cost a life. Brand new forestor on an icy road , mysteriously, all at once, no control, side step on level road -- not a donut, back end sway, the whole car side stepped off into the willy wags.very bizarre. I don't think they self cancel like the 3 mains balance, further making it stubborn with a crank with as many mains as a v8.(I am really not a fan- 3 mains dead, so is my belief in the newer subes.) If I am going to have 5 mains: I want an old v8 with 600cfm, 10:1 and 300 hp casually. Take the craziness subaru went to right out of my realist thought process.I hope to build a 3 main like subaru should have- cheaply proving it to myself. Ok, i'm gonna have to step in here and put it all on the line, you're F-n stupid thinking that the 3 main bearing thing has anything to do with anything traction related, really thats just rediculous, sheet ice will make any vechicle slide slip and crash, i don't care if it has 1 main or 20. The reason Subaru's don't torque steer is that they have equal length half shafts, thats the only reason, my 88 hopped a wicked axle with the EA and it still does it with the EJ. The reason Subaru didn't build an EA like they "should have" is because they realized that with more bearing surface they could spread the load over more journals and have more power going to the crank with reduced chances of breakage. I don't know where you got your hard on for 3 main bearings, but theres a reason Subaru doesn't do engines with only 3 anymore, if they were the better option, they'd still be doing it that way, welcome to the 21st centruy, as an automotive engineer, and an ASE certified mechanic, i can say without a doubt that the whole canceling shenanigan is a non issue, and your friends wife was stupid for driving too fast for the situation, AWD and ABS will only help control the car, but won't do anything if there is no traction on the road. BTW, its Forester, not forestor I see your 3 bearings, and raise you 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Horray! Gentleman - we have common sense! Can anyone tell which poster in this thread I'm talking about GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Well said Noah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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