bgd73 Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 I was at my bro-n-laws garage the other day. He has his 1980 trans am all in pieces all over his garage.It runs a 400c.i chevy motor. I remember spotting the way the front end frame rails bolt to the unibody as it reminded me of the permanent shapes and metal in my loyale. For the heck of it, I grabbed onto the front of the body of his trans am and lifted. I picked it up easily, as well as the back end. He took it apart himself and moves it all over his garage as need be. I really wondered what the actual weight of a loyale is. Can two people pick it up without the rear diff and driveline? The weight given on the doors is way off. I would guess by at least 1000 lbs or more. Rather than guessing .. has anyone put the car on a scale, all axles at once to get a true weight? For a 2.64 inch stroke engine to do what it does, it must be very light, I would love some numbers. It would also help ratings of power accurately documented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86ruguy Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 take a peek here http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=65620 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeshoup Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 The weights of these cars with everything it is somewhere around 2200-2500 pounds, depending on how equipped. I'm curious too how much of that is actually in the driveline. I know these engines aren't all that heavy (I lifted a longblock myself. I'm not exactly the strongest person), but the transmission on these is a bit heavier than normal (at least the 4WD ones). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodaka Rider Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 Curb weight and gross weight are totally different. Curb weight is the vehicle with all fluids and standard equipment (no winches, swampers, and tools ), and the gross weight is the vehicle loaded to rated capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutthpaw Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 Curb weight and gross weight are totally different.Curb weight is the vehicle with all fluids and standard equipment (no winches, swampers, and tools ), and the gross weight is the vehicle loaded to rated capacity. Just weighed my 97 Outback at the local scrap yard and it was 3520 lb, 1860 lb for the front axle if i remember correctly.. no i did not scrap it but wanted to see the difference with and without the bumper I was making so i used the drive on truck scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgd73 Posted October 14, 2006 Author Share Posted October 14, 2006 The weights of these cars with everything it is somewhere around 2200-2500 pounds, depending on how equipped. I'm curious too how much of that is actually in the driveline. I know these engines aren't all that heavy (I lifted a longblock myself. I'm not exactly the strongest person), but the transmission on these is a bit heavier than normal (at least the 4WD ones). They are indeed light. The manual states 2200 for my 2wd sedan. It is the lightest of all ea82, including the 2wd coupe (I am assuming the rear glass is the little difference- hmmm, heavier than the steel trunk of a sedan: Hint, Hint). I am wondering "where's the beef?" I have literally made the unibody inforgivable with roof rack rails. I have jumped the car off of all four wheels. I compared it to my brothers ATV. 2200 is alot of weight. My sedan is not that heavy.A 60 lb toolbox in the trunk is dramatic.I am assuming the density of steels for the weight is indeed the driveline. The tranny is quite heavy for the space it takes up-I am willing to bet it is the heaviest center piece of the whole ea82 generation. I remember joking about a 3 inch stroke in a 327 v8 crankshaft... (which got better mileage than a 2.5 EJ motor-- did I mention 300hp and 9k rpms casually?) but anyway..my friend who owned it made an rump roast out of my opinion just by taking me for a ride in his full size pickup that had the engine eventually. 2.64 inch and scooting right along with an EA82, must be super smart with weight and lamination of thin steel to make it move. My 4wd revealed it all the time, just how weak it really gets over years, then to decipher the daintiness that needed fixing. I am guessing 12-1500lbs, not even a ton. :-\ Below is photo of hill I jumped (Downtown Brewer Maine). The light was turning yellow, I gave it all it got to catch it, I was maybe doing 40mph going down towards it. All four wheels right off the ground. I learned what the real weight of my car is. The next day, I tried it going up the hill, and sure enough, right off the ground in the 40's mph.The loyale is a lightweight- as it appears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daeron Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 bgd: the complete car, with engine and trans, weighs about 2400 pounds. (a bit more, 2400 is the number i round down to for bragging ) I have an 87 GL10, the only extra weight i have compared to you is my power sunroof (negligible) and the circuitry for the trip computer and factory cruise... i would certainly be willing to bet that the engine/trans/diff could take up as much as 600 pounds of that, but no more than 800.that leaves the unibody/brakes/suspension and interior at about 1800, 1600 DEAD MINIMUM... strip her down to bare chassis, and MAYBE you might achieve 1200-1500 pounds.. but thats after all four corners of suspension/brakes gone, no radiator, no interior, nothing but sheetmetal and glass..... and i guess window motors. I still lean more towards the 1500-1600 mark for bare chassis, but i havent disassembled squat so its just a S.W.A.G..... did any of these cars come with crank windows?????(ea82s i mean) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgd73 Posted October 15, 2006 Author Share Posted October 15, 2006 This weight-of-the-car-from-the-door-tag is made in wonderland by Alice. Yeah. The inmates in wonderland stampin tags without facts to pass thier time in prison for doing something unreal for subarus and hondas and every other wannabe-heavy-steel car company with a tiny engine pretending bigger. ... . I did not even try to jump my car on purpose. I could pick up the back end of my loyale with another person. I will get it in photograph. My scrauny 135 lb self on one wheel well, and someone on the other. Will that help describe what 1500 lbs does over four wheels for REAL ? I remember in highschool reorganizing the mini-cars physically by our own arms and legs with a group of friends to make it so they couldn't move forward or backward to untagle the mess we made.It was quite comical, and also taught me a lesson about real weight and fake-it-for-international-standards weight. I still have friends infuriated for life after learning this "real weight" stuff too. I am not one of them. I just can't be the dukes of hazard downtown and realize I am driving a true lightweight.Live and Learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodaka Rider Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 So, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. Are you trying to say that you think the Loyale only weighs like 1500 lbs? 'Cause that's retarded. Sorry, but there is no way you can actually believe that. Go ahead and get a picture taken of you and your friend lifting the rear off the ground - I'd like to see that. My Loyale door tag reads GVWR: 3665 lbs. A base Loyale should have a curb weight of 2400-2500, as I stated elsewhere on the board. Curb weight vs. Gross weight (GVWR). Again, totally different things. For the record: doors weigh about 40lbs each, rear gate prolly more like 75. Engine with fluids: 300. Transmission: probably 300. Seats: 40 each front, about 60 for rear. Carpet and sound deadening: 100. Wheels and tires: 50 each corner. Struts: 25 each rear, 30 each front. Brakes: say 10 lbs per corner. Bumpers: 25lbs each, Glass and lights: 100lbs, Wiring harness: 100lbs, various interior bits (dash, headliner, seatbelts, etc): 200lbs. Wait, we're at almost 2000 lbs already, and I haven't even added rear diff, axles, driveshaft, engine cradle, tranny x-member, etc. And of yeah, the body shell. A bare body shell probably weighs in at about 400-500 Lbs. Stick that in your 'Alice-in-Wonderland' hookah, Caterpillar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodaka Rider Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 did any of these cars come with crank windows?????(ea82s i mean) Most of them did. Yours, however, is a GL-10. One of the portlier GL/Loyale versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Go ahead and get a picture taken of you and your friend lifting the rear off the ground - I'd like to see that. I was easily able to lift the back of my EA81 wagon without the rear suspension or fuel tank in place. Just the body back there is pretty light really. If the tank were not full, and you had two large guys (I'm 6' 2", 200 lbs) you could probably lift the back end of a complete sedan. The engine acts like a counter-weight because it's forward of the front wheels. Definately possible. Everything else bdg says is uneducated nonsense tho. Sure is funny to read tho. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 when I parted out my '85, we had it stripped. pretty much just the shell, we put it on our little utility trailer, and took it to the scrap yard, it weighed in at just shy of 400 lbs. right after I dropped the engine, tranny, and both crossmembers out of it, we tried to pick the front end up (no wheels, so the only other thing touching the ground was the rear bumper), and couldn't. I'm not a big guy.....but my dad is. there's alot of car there! it's lighter, however, than your buddy's trans am. from sheer engine weight alone, the little 4 cyl aluminum 1.8 weighs a bit less than that 400 CI cast steel V8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subaru_dude Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 50 for each wheel? weighed a 13" steelie... 26 pounds. I would imagine the aluminum ones would be lighter? 52lbs for the rear diff with fluid and hanger, 35lbs for front bumper. 15lbs for front driver side axle. those are the only parts I had laying around. would a 5spd d/r tranny weigh more than an ej series auto?? you sure the rear seat weighs 60lbs? have you ever weighed it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodaka Rider Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 50 for each wheel? weighed a 13" steelie... 26 pounds. I would imagine the aluminum ones would be lighter? 52lbs for the rear diff with fluid and hanger, 35lbs for front bumper. 15lbs for front driver side axle. those are the only parts I had laying around. would a 5spd d/r tranny weigh more than an ej series auto?? you sure the rear seat weighs 60lbs? have you ever weighed it?? 50 Lbs wheel and tire together. Dude, for the rest: I was talking approximate. And I think I came out pretty close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeshoup Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 There's definitely no way one of these weighs less than 2000lbs. A friend of mine and me went for a trip in his classic mini. We ended up at a weigh station, and the car fit onto the platform, and weighed 1800lbs. I wasn't in the car, but he was, and he weighed 150lbs. So, that means a classic mini is somewhere around 1650 lbs. There's absolutely no way a sedan weighs anywhere near that. And as far as being able to lift up the rear end, GD is right. The engine gives you more leverage because it sits in front of the axles. Then you have the weight of the nose of the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodsWagon Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 I stripped my old 3-door down to the shell and the front windows. I could pick up the back of the body and lift it so it was only touching on the radiator support, and I could do the same from the front. Rust had done some weight reduction on the car, but not that much. Front seats are mabe 30# Rear seat 5# for the bottom, 15# each for the backs, 35# for the whole thing. Doors and glass are a huge weight. Rear diff and subframe weight a lot. I can't pick up the whole rear end assembly, drums, struts, subframe and diff. I can drag it. Engine is approx the same as tranny, mabey a bit heavier. I can cary both seperately with strain. Bdg73, I'll keep my opinion about you mostly to myself, but think about this logically. Cars are taxed based on the gross and curb weight of the vehicle. Why would the manufacturer inflate the curb weight above what it really is if that would mean paying more to import them? To give a better figure, I'll go down to my local metal scapyard and weigh my dam car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subaru_dude Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 50 Lbs wheel and tire together. Dude, for the rest: I was talking approximate. And I think I came out pretty close. that was the wheel and tire together. doesn't really matter cuz yeah... it has to weigh more than 1500 pounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daeron Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 bgd: what does your door sill plate say for GVWR (gross vehicle weight restriction)? mines listed in separate axel weight restrictions, but you can add them up, and subtract the maximum load amount (found in the owners manual or on the Specs sheets in the FSM which is the same for all the ea82s, and get the curb weight of your car. the maximum load weight is something on the order of 800. i wanna say 850 but my memory isnt chiming in too strong, so i dont know exactly... but that may be the source of your alice in wonderland figures.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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