Steve455 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I was coming home the outher day and my 96 outback with 245,000 miles died at the intersection and wouldnt start back up.I checked the fuelpump and it was working but i wasnt getting any spark.I checked the coil and the primary resistance was a little high and the secondary was within range.is there a way to check the ignitor and will a 2.2 coil and ignitor work on a 2.5 motor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcupine73 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Your timing belt is probably busted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OB99W Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 The following has a section on no-start diagnosis: http://endwrench.com/images/pdfs/DirectIgnition.pdf (The resistance specs given for the primary and secondary coils are in error, they're reversed.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 That will do it. Also dont check at the coils, check at the cam and crank sesnors themselves. Coils dont just fail, they throw misfire codes or some other weirdness. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OB99W Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Your timing belt is probably busted.Perhaps. Other than not firing up, does the sound of the engine cranking seem different than usual? When was the belt last changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcupine73 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 If it does turn out to be the timing belt, do some compression and/or cylinder leakdown tests before going further (I'm assuming you have the 2.5L) since some valves may have gotten bent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OB99W Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 If it does turn out to be the timing belt, do some compression and/or cylinder leakdown tests before going further (I'm assuming you have the 2.5L) since some valves may have gotten bent.Leakdown might be a better choice than compression with a broken t-belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve455 Posted March 2, 2007 Author Share Posted March 2, 2007 i took off the timing cover on one side and the belt was not broke.I did the headgaskets about 5000 miles ago.the car has been leaking about a quart of oil every week and a half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcupine73 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 the belt was not broke Well that's good news. Good thing I didn't place any bets on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Broke = jumped . Double check that the timing is correct. Did you reseal the engine when you did the HG. Did you use a new belt? nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OB99W Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 i took off the timing cover on one side and the belt was not broke.[...]Try the diagnostic sequence in the link I gave above. If nothing's happening at the igniter input (ECU output), then do check cam and crank sensors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve455 Posted March 2, 2007 Author Share Posted March 2, 2007 Broke = jumped . Double check that the timing is correct. Did you reseal the engine when you did the HG. Did you use a new belt? nipper i will take off all the covers tommorow,i also used the old timing belt since it looked good.the oil leak is coming from one of the cam seals,i tried to fix it before but it has been leaking again.i need to get the car going before it starts raining again,ive had to ride the motorcycle till the car gets fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Looking at a timing belt you cant tell if its good or not (well you can tell not). When was the last time it was replaced. ALso was the car leaking oil onto the belt? nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve455 Posted March 2, 2007 Author Share Posted March 2, 2007 Looking at a timing belt you cant tell if its good or not (well you can tell not). When was the last time it was replaced. ALso was the car leaking oil onto the belt? nipper there was oil in the timing cover,im not sure when the belt was replaced last last,i bought the car at 240,000 miles and now it has 245000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 there was oil in the timing cover,im not sure when the belt was replaced last last,i bought the car at 240,000 miles and now it has 245000 Ok so history unknown. You have a rainsuit for the bike? Just in case you need a timing belt, then your going to have to doe seals etc etc.... the 2.2 needs a timing belt every 60,000 so either it should have been done at 240, or it is a newer 106,000 mile belt (which i doubt). nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve455 Posted March 2, 2007 Author Share Posted March 2, 2007 Ok so history unknown. You have a rainsuit for the bike? Just in case you need a timing belt, then your going to have to doe seals etc etc.... the 2.2 needs a timing belt every 60,000 so either it should have been done at 240, or it is a newer 106,000 mile belt (which i doubt). nipper my motor is a 2.5, will the 2.2 belt fit the 2.5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 my motor is a 2.5, will the 2.2 belt fit the 2.5? oh ok my error for some reason i thought it was a 2.2 no it wont. Its jsut there has been some discussion here that we cant see subaru using one design requirement for one belt, and another for the 2.5. Maybe at one time they did, but now we arent sure. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 i see where i got confused, its the first post. In order to just rule out a bad coil, i dont see why the chaining of the coil packs wouldnt work. If the car starts, and runs you may get lucky and it be ok to run, otherwise you know its the coil pack and get a propper 2.5 pack. Its hard to tell from the manual which on is a 2.2 or a 2.5, so it may not matter. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve455 Posted March 2, 2007 Author Share Posted March 2, 2007 i see where i got confused, its the first post. In order to just rule out a bad coil, i dont see why the chaining of the coil packs wouldnt work. If the car starts, and runs you may get lucky and it be ok to run, otherwise you know its the coil pack and get a propper 2.5 pack. Its hard to tell from the manual which on is a 2.2 or a 2.5, so it may not matter. nipper i am going to double check the timing belt before i get a coil.they want 45 for a used i and 110 for a new 1.there is alot of subarus in the pic and pulls but they are all 2.2 motors and smaller.the 2.5 motors are rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnceggleston Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 ignition coil subaru part # 22433aa400 ..................... fits: Impreza, 2.2L 1995 – 1998; Legacy 2.2L 1995 – 1998; Legacy 2.5L 1995 - 1998 hope this helps. i have a new one if you need it, but i here they are pretty hardy items. http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=69773 i am going to double check the timing belt before i get a coil.they want 45 for a used i and 110 for a new 1.there is alot of subarus in the pic and pulls but they are all 2.2 motors and smaller.the 2.5 motors are rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve455 Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 i took off the timing covers and it looked like the belt jumped.im going to get a new belt.what arethe chances that the valves whre bent?should i putthe belt on and see what happens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 How many teeth did it jump. If it only jumped a few teeth then you should be ok. Dont forget a new tensioner, seals and waterpump while your there. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve455 Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 How many teeth did it jump. If it only jumped a few teeth then you should be ok. Dont forget a new tensioner, seals and waterpump while your there. nipper itonly jummped about 2 or3 teeth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 itonly jummped about 2 or3 teeth Then you should be ok. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve455 Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 Then you should be ok. nipper i put on the new timingbelt and it still wont start. tomorrow i will get anouther coil becuase there was no spark.could the ignitor cause it not to fire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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